I don't know where you think I was attacking any one specific individual. I haven't used the word "you" in any directed, non-generic way in this whole discussion. I did bristle a little at his
But all of my comments were generalized in nature, respectful, and "to the idea" rather than "to the man"--which is what that quoted remark is, IMO.
So if PETA fans are not posting here on this forum to criticize...even by implication....what in the world are they posting here for? Esp. once they have had basic answers given to their question such as was given in posts #6, 11, 12, 13, and 14. What is the expectation? Let's get real here. Why pursue it? why pursue it in an arena where there is likely little or no significant knowledge much less interest in faux leather shoes. Again, it doesn't really square with reality.
As far as me "combating violent crime" etc., I do my bit. Just not out in the streets or in places where the most likely outcome...surprise, surprise...is gonna be push back.
If that troubles you, maybe you should try for camp counselor. IMO...respectfully.
I was trying to point out that the OP didn't start with anything hostile or offensive, in my opinion. I am not commenting on all the stuff that got traded back and forth later. I think the OP would probably have been wiser to bow out, but I know it can be hard not to respond, if one feels the "other side" started it and won't let it drop.
I have no problem with "push back" here and am not trying to say people shouldn't argue or debate anything here. I was try to say, in general, that ethics isn't a great subject for argument or debate anywhere. Also, though I realize I don't have standing to do it, I was advocating for a more respectful forum experience, as that is just my preference.
DWFII, I want to say that I have valued your posts on this forum more highly than anybody else's. You are doing all of us a great service by sharing your knowledge, wisdom, and expertise with us. I doubt you would be here if you didn't feel strongly about these matters, so I respect that you express yourself strongly at times and don't wish to tolerate ignorant people spreading harmful falsehoods. Some of them might be consciously lying, but most are probably just deluded, so I say "falsehoods."
My work does include helping people to get through life without UNNECESSARY conflict, so you're not too far off on the camp counselor thing.