Sorry, pardon me for derailing the thread somewhat.
I am aware I probably should have posted the initial questions on the leather thread instead.
That being said, I think the recent discussion has been really good. Have definitely picked up a thing or two.
Since we do have a little context, and the issue of leather creasing has come up, I do have a question here.
Recently I'd bought a couple of pairs of shoes from maker X. Specifically, each pair is the same in every aspect except for the colour.
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Same design, same last, same size, same soles, same construction.
Yes, the shoes are RTW, but this last fits pretty well, and is snug across the vamp, toe box and waist.
The only other variable possibly being they were made at different times (few mths apart), so there might have been a difference in batches of leather used? I'm not sure.
Thing is, the brown pair creased noticeably "worse" than the black pair. The creases formed seemed much more "coarse" and deep / prominent, compared to the black pair, which seemed to form finer creases.
They were worn exactly the same number of times (once), for approximately the same duration (11 hours), with the same distance walked, and in the same terrain.
I haven't gained any weight, haven't had any new feet problems / swelling, and haven't sustained any injuries that would cause a change in gait.
The only difference that may seem ostensible is the difference in leather.
While I know that creasing is seen as a very normal thing, I could see why someone might be disturbed by very prominent creasing.
While it is easy to tell differences in quality between corrected grain and full grain leather, what about between different full grained leathers?
Apart from visibly loose grain on say, leather that has been clicked from nearer the belly, or obvious defects / scars, or "veininess" in the hide, that can be seen on the shoes, what are some of the very objective ways a consumer can discern whether the leather used on his pair of shoes is of "good quality"?
It seems like .... based on the discussion, thickness may not be a very good, or fair indicator of quality. Tannage, maybe to some extent....?
What of creasing? Would you ever use it as a (fair) indicator of quality?