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post #46 of 74
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Originally Posted by chronoaug View Post
I can see how this deomcratization of fashion can be great for the common person, but slightly concerning for people who have invested lots of time in fashion to acquire their style that any long time old navy customer can walk into an h&m, trip, fall down and walk out with a very similar outfit to your own.
So what you're saying is: you prefer fashion to be expensive, so you can set yourself apart with the amount you're willing to spend rather than your personal style and skill?
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Originally Posted by Get Smart View Post
Gap/BR/ON are owned by the same company so they don't really compete with each other since the $$$ is going into the same wallet. But I agree that stores like that do have a personality and shoppers there have an expectation of what they think they'll find.
I knew that, I chose those three brands to be clever. The parent company, Gap Inc, is making all their money from BR/ON, and not the Gap stores. In January, Gap Inc fired the CEO and put the chair of the board in charge. One of his first moves was to move the head of the BR unit to the Gap unit.
post #47 of 74
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Originally Posted by Jared View Post
Gap has been squeezed out by Old Navy and Banana Republic, and similar higher and lower-end stores. They're losing significant amounts of money.

Gap occasionally manages to come out with a fashion-forward piece, so they're potentially capable of competing with H&M. As discussed in this thread, H&M doesn't have the coverage and appears to not have the infrastructure to stop Gap if they decided to take the market. If you were a Gap shareholder, what would you tell the executive to do?

In the U.S. at least, H&M occupies a much, much smaller market niche than the Gap. It's kind of like expecting Ford to compete with Lotus.

If I were a shareholder, I'd much rather have them go after the mainstream market for average-sized Americans, than fashion-forward stuff for skinny people.
post #48 of 74
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Originally Posted by Jared View Post
I knew that, I chose those three brands to be clever. The parent company, Gap Inc, is making all their money from BR/ON, and not the Gap stores. In January, Gap Inc fired the CEO and put the chair of the board in charge. One of his first moves was to move the head of the BR unit to the Gap unit.
i believe these brands are indeed cannibalizing each other. in my college days i used to shop at the GAP quite frequently and BR was a luxury. these days i'm either dressed up or down. given the informal culture here in southern calif, casual usually means VERY casual and i can find fun wkend and beach gear at ON, but i don't find myself needing anything the tweener GAP brand provides. even if i wanted the floppy rolled sleeve button up look, i would go to AE instead where the clothes are more durable and fitted. with smart shopping, such as waiting until season ends and waiting for sales or f-f coupons, i generally don't even pay much more than ON prices on the things i buy from BR. and ever since h&m opened its stores, i have not even bothered to go into any of the GAP/ON/BR triumvirate. of course one man's opinion does not a statistically significant mkt survey make, but from what i've heard about how the company is doing, it sounds like my sentiments are shared among many, many former GAP customers.
post #49 of 74
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Originally Posted by lpwb32 View Post
i believe these brands are indeed cannibalizing each other.

I've linked to this before, but it bears repeating: http://www.slate.com/id/2137742/

basically, the Gap has shot itself in the foot by nudging themselves out of the market from above with BR and below with Old Navy.
post #50 of 74
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Originally Posted by Jared View Post
So what you're saying is: you prefer fashion to be expensive, so you can set yourself apart with the amount you're willing to spend rather than your personal style and skill?

The key to what i said was "i can see how someone". And i wasn't referring specifically to price but more your personal style and skill. That's why i emphasized the fact that it wasn't the fact that's it's cheap at all. I prefer cheap stuff. I just said that i can understand how people can be concerned considering people on here and sufu spend a good amount of TIME, not necessarily money, trying to acquire a finer taste in clothes and gain more knowledge about fashion and personal style in general. For these people to see someone trip and fall in an h&m and come out with a similar outfit without ever trying to spend time developing a style or looking into fashion, it can be rough for people who put the work in. Just wanted to clear things up since i think my point was misread.
post #51 of 74
I like H&M and Zara just fine. I haven't been in months and it is time for me to make a trip out there. I think H&M has younger looks, and Zara is more mature, like someone else said. I prefer Zara between the two, but on a budget you can't go wrong. One thing I love and hate about H&M is that you have to get the right size of something you want because otherwise it might not be there the next day.
post #52 of 74
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Originally Posted by chronoaug View Post
The key to what i said was "i can see how someone". And i wasn't referring specifically to price but more your personal style and skill. That's why i emphasized the fact that it wasn't the fact that's it's cheap at all. I prefer cheap stuff. I just said that i can understand how people can be concerned considering people on here and sufu spend a good amount of TIME, not necessarily money, trying to acquire a finer taste in clothes and gain more knowledge about fashion and personal style in general. For these people to see someone trip and fall in an h&m and come out with a similar outfit without ever trying to spend time developing a style or looking into fashion, it can be rough for people who put the work in. Just wanted to clear things up since i think my point was misread.
I was mostly just messing with you. But I'm glad I made you clarify, because you've got an interesting point: When us forum types spend a lot on clothes, we take the time to understand why they look like they do and how best to wear them. So if an AmJack falls in an H&M, they might pick the wrong pieces and wear them in unflattering ways? Here's an experiment we need to run:
  1. Get a forumer and an AmJack to assemble outfits from the same wardrobe.
  2. Wait for the AmJack to put a t-shirt over a dress shirt.
  3. Stop worrying about fast fashion.
post #53 of 74
I'm not saying it's going to be weird when they wear similar clothes in unflattering ways. It's very possible for an "amjack" to put together a forum approved outfit, but what i was saying is that it almost cheapens stuff in a way because they don't necessarily appreciate fashion nor did they put the work into developing a sense of style. I don't really care, but i'm just putting points out there for people to mull and discuss.
post #54 of 74
For me, H&M is a great store. Being a realtively slim guy at 5' 5" or 6" doesnt give me many choices for finding properly fitting clothing at good prices. While the clothes are described as disposable, many peices i have have lasted for a long while, and are still in great condition. I can sacrifice the quality of the fabric and the construction for the price and the fit.

The way I see it, they are filling a niche. Since I just finished high school,I don't have the money to go out and buy a $200 button down, so a $40 will do just fine for now.
post #55 of 74
H&M is good for what it is: Cheaply executed, well styled pieces. Nothing less, nothing (definitely nothing) more.
post #56 of 74
Zara is one of my favorite stores for shirts. They are pretty slim fitting and with fairly nice fabric and construction and can usually be obtained for low prices either on sale or on ebay. I own more shirts from Zara than any other maker.
post #57 of 74
H&M are starting to offer online ordering here in Europe.
http://shop.hm.com/
post #58 of 74
I am looking forward to seeing the new H&M brand of stores opening. i think it's called H&M COS or something. It is supposed to be a more tailored, higher quality version of today's H&M.
post #59 of 74
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Originally Posted by Fritz View Post
H&M are starting to offer online ordering here in Europe.
http://shop.hm.com/

I doubt this will be popular for anything other than accessories given quality and sizing inconsistencies.
post #60 of 74
im STILL waiting for an H&M to be opened in Texas...
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