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post #1261 of 1456
Japanese retail is around $500ish towards the USD on the exchange rate.

do any of you here actually buy from Union, rivivemi and all the us retailers?
post #1262 of 1456
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Originally Posted by Shinoda View Post

Japanese retail is around $500ish towards the USD on the exchange rate.

do any of you here actually buy from Union, rivivemi and all the us retailers?

I do, largely because I like having the option of returning something if I end up not liking it.
post #1263 of 1456

No other company does the same style of backpack in a better way, bam, why its popular

 

if there is a better jansport look a like, please let me know so i can buy it

post #1264 of 1456
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Originally Posted by Dbear View Post

No other company does the same style of backpack in a better way, bam, why its popular

if there is a better jansport look a like, please let me know so i can buy it
functionally, simply not true. Style wise, though, or is pretty distinctive and inimitable.
post #1265 of 1456
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Originally Posted by Dbear View Post

No other company does the same style of backpack in a better way, bam, why its popular

if there is a better jansport look a like, please let me know so i can buy it

I like a lot of Visvim's line, but a lot of stuff is also driven by hype, price, and the idea of exclusivity/ status. Boiling the popularity of the backpack to "just good design" is kind of silly -- fashion obviously works in more complicated ways.

Put it this way: if another brand came out with Visvim's backpack, but didn't have Hiroki's cool, a strong fanbase, and the same price -- it wouldn't have been popular. People like the backpack partly because it's Visvim and partly because it's absurdly expensive. It's not that different from some midwest mom wanting a Gucci bag. She can say it's about design and craftsmanship all she wants, but at the end of the day -- she likes it because it's Gucci.

Agree with LA Guy that a lot of Visvim's line is interesting because of the materials and finishing. The backpack doesn't have any of those things. It's just a Cordura backpack with some leather. The idea that you're even comparing it to Jansport to justify the $700 price tag is kind of weird.

Adding: Actually, come to think of it, some of Lexdray's bags aren't that far off from my 20L, and they cost half of what Visvim charges. Made from 1680D ballistic nylon and military grade hardware. Comes with more pockets and a removable waterproof cover.

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post #1266 of 1456
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Originally Posted by dieworkwear View Post

I like a lot of Visvim's line, but a lot of stuff is also driven by hype, price, and the idea of exclusivity/ status. Boiling the popularity of the backpack to "just good design" is kind of silly -- fashion obviously works in more complicated ways.

Put it this way: if another brand came out with Visvim's backpack, but didn't have Hiroki's cool, a strong fanbase, and the same price -- it wouldn't have been popular. People like the backpack partly because it's Visvim and partly because it's absurdly expensive. It's not that different from some midwest mom wanting a Gucci bag. She can say it's about design and craftsmanship all she wants, but at the end of the day -- she likes it because it's Gucci.

Agree with LA Guy that a lot of Visvim's line is interesting because of the materials and finishing. The backpack doesn't have any of those things. It's just a Cordura backpack with some leather. The idea that you're even comparing it to Jansport to justify the $700 price tag is kind of weird.

I think that your analysis is rather too simplistic. Otherwise, it would be incredibly easy to make money purely by licensing. However, we've seen over and over again that this is not true. Yes, people like the branding. I like the branding too, but branding alone is not alone. The products have to be consistent with the core identity of the brand for the product and branding, together, to be successful. We've all seen disasters because of poor implementation (see old Burberry, some Savile Row firms, etc...)

Visvim does a good job with their products, in that the style and design is very consistent with the brand image.
post #1267 of 1456
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Originally Posted by LA Guy View Post

I think that your analysis is rather too simplistic. Otherwise, it would be incredibly easy to make money poorly by licensing. However, we've seen over and over again that this is not true. Yes, people like the branding. I like the branding too, but branding alone is not alone. The products have to be consistent with the core identity of the brand for the product and branding, together, to be successful. We've all seen disasters because of poor implementation (see old Burberry, some Savile Row firms, etc...)

Visvim does a good job with their products, in that the style and design is very consistent with the brand image.

I'm not saying it's just about branding. I was just saying it's not just about design. DBear's comment was "No other company does the same style of backpack in a better way, bam, why its popular" -- which seems to miss why something as simple as this backpack can command $700.
post #1268 of 1456
Its nice, made of nice materials, and as la guy said hits all the areas synonymous with visvim quality. Lexdray is not even close, do they even use leather? sure the price is inflated with visvim but you know exactly what you are getting, a high quality bag with good design sensibilities and a streetwear edge
post #1269 of 1456
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Originally Posted by Fycus View Post

Its nice, made of nice materials, and as la guy said hits all the areas synonymous with visvim quality. Lexdray is not even close, do they even use leather? sure the price is inflated with visvim but you know exactly what you are getting, a high quality bag with good design sensibilities and a streetwear edge

I would phrase that differently, with the more general - "Synonymous with Visvim's appeal" - which is that it appeals to clothing nerd sensibilities (very good and also highly branded hardware, unnecessary but interesting detailed copy detailing things like the origin of the materials), and has that "Outdoorsy/military/Southwest meets street by way of Japan" look and feel that is important to the core customer.  

 

The primary value proposition of Visvim is the stylng, not quality.  There is marketing material that proffers quality as a secondary value proposition (see that picture of the handwelting on a guy putting together some Virgils), but it is not the primary reason that people are spending $500-700 on a small backpack, or a pair of mocassins with a ripple toe, or a pair of 400 slip ons.  

 

I don't have a Visvim backpack, but that's probably just because I don't wear backpacks unless I am hiking.  Which brings me to a point that is probably completely tangential to the discussion that we are having.  

 

Having spent a fair bit of my life hiking, often deep in the backcountry, and on some pretty treacherous terrain, some of which requires technical gear like crampons, mountaining shell boots and ice axes, I would say that quality, for a technical backpack, is typically measured by:

1) Comfort of wear

2) functional details

3) Durability.

 

The first and second definitely pass the test, though these are not purely objective measures, since they depend on your specific body shape and your needs.  

 

Though I don't personally own a visvim backpack, I have examined them in detail, and I would say that the technology is, as for most, if not all, Japanese companies that I've seen that make technical gear, not up to the standards of modern brands from countries where outdoor activities are probably more popular than in Japan.  Put it this way - if the Zombie apocalypse was coming, I would much rather stow my gear in an Osprey or an Arc'teryx than a Visvim - just like I would choose my tactical hunting knife with a steel blade (less likely to snap than my ceramic blades) over my beautiful, Dasmascus steel dinosaur bone knite, much more attractive though the latter is.

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Originally Posted by Fycus View Post

Its nice, made of nice materials, and as la guy said hits all the areas synonymous with visvim quality. Lexdray is not even close, do they even use leather? sure the price is inflated with visvim but you know exactly what you are getting, a high quality bag with good design sensibilities and a streetwear edge

To answer the bolded question - probably not, but leather is incredibly impractical for a hiking backpack.  To get the strength you need for the base, you need a very thick leather which adds to the weight of the pack.  Leather also absorbs water.  Wet leather takes a lot of time to dry out, and if it is not properly treated, it loses it's strength   And if it breaks, it's nearly impossible to sew up withouht a patch and retain any of it's original strength.  I could go and on and on.  

 

Compare this with ballistic nylon - the base of manly good hiking backpacks is a double layer of 1000 Denier balistic nylon - incredible tensile and tear strength.  The load bearing is impressive.  I've carried 100 lbs packs through rough terrain with plenty of jostling for weeks at a time.  The pack can take a beating - and at the end of the trip, I spray it down, and it's as good as new.  Maybe if I use it a few years, hard, the color gets a bit faded. If it somehow breaks at the hem or even gets a rip.  - you can take a needle and a strong nylone thread, and fix the thing in about 10 minutes.  It can easily be bonded to a waterproof layer.  It is lightweight and it dries out very quickly.

 

Now, let''s ask the real question - if I want to look cool around town, do I need THAT much functionality?  No, I mean, c'mon.  The Zombie Apocalypse is not upon us yet.  I just want something that looks good and that I enjoy.  Am I willing to pay a premium for that.  For me, and for many others, I suspect that the answer is "yes".

post #1271 of 1456

My new slip ons.  So stocked about them.  I liked these the moment they came out...  They were a FW15 release, which seems odd, but whatever, I got them for summer.

post #1272 of 1456
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Originally Posted by dieworkwear View Post

Any of those will be less than Visvim's $700 backpacks, which (to be honest) aren't even that interesting in terms of design.

 

If its not that interesting and that overpriced, why did you get it?

 

Looked and some Masterpiece while i was on business trip to Singapore and they looked good in terms of design. 

 

Still have my Eastpack with suede bottom after 23yrs and its still holding up fine lol

post #1273 of 1456
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Originally Posted by takashi78 View Post

If its not that interesting and that overpriced, why did you get it?

Looked and some Masterpiece while i was on business trip to Singapore and they looked good in terms of design. 

Still have my Eastpack with suede bottom after 23yrs and its still holding up fine lol

I bought mine on sale and was OK with the price. Also liked the color.

I think it's a nice bag. I just think it's overpriced in terms of quality and other available options on the market. People tend to go over the top when defending their expensive purchases, so I thought I'd give the OP what I felt was a more level headed opinion.
post #1274 of 1456
I really like the pieces I have seen from Masterpiece. I recommend having a look at their backpacks as a lower priced alternative.
post #1275 of 1456
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Originally Posted by dieworkwear View Post

I bought mine on sale and was OK with the price. Also liked the color.

I think it's a nice bag. I just think it's overpriced in terms of quality and other available options on the market. People tend to go over the top when defending their expensive purchases, so I thought I'd give the OP what I felt was a more level headed opinion.

Thanks for the clear answer and the list of other bags to check out. You were able to articulate how I was feeling about the bag.
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