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post #1411 of 1824
I don't know if I fully understand this Golden Ball thing, but for me it's clearly James Rodriguez if it's simply the best player of the games that he played. If it's the player who was most valuable to his team, that's Messi, Neymar or Tim Howard. If it's the best player on a team that enjoyed great success, I suppose I'd pick Robben
post #1412 of 1824
I always thought the Golden Ball goes to the player that's a non goalie that played the best during the tournament. To me that's either James Rodriguez or Arjen Robben.
post #1413 of 1824

Jokes aside, I think it's for best leadership of a team.

post #1414 of 1824
Isn't it voted by the media outlets, not FIFA?
post #1415 of 1824
so if Wikipedia is to be believed, Muller finished second and Robben third
post #1416 of 1824
Thrilled to see Germany come away with the win, but that game was about 120 minutes of stress and 30 seconds of celebration. Both sides made some facepalm-worthy mistakes, but I probably noticed the German ones more. Great goal in the end to win it and happy to see Klose go out as a World Cup winner. Class act and consummate professional.

How the Golden Ball gets awarded to a player with 1 assist and no goals during the knockout phase of the competition is beyond me. I'm not a fan of Argentina but respect Messi, but still. At least he didn't cheat his way to a title like a certain other famous Argentinian.
post #1417 of 1824
How the Golden Ball gets awarded to a player with 1 assist and no goals during the knockout phase of the competition is beyond me. I'm not a fan of Argentina but respect Messi, but still. At least he didn't cheat his way to a title like a certain other famous Argentinian.[/quote]

Messi doesn't deserve it at all..

I hate Robben but he had a fantastic tournament..
post #1418 of 1824
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How the Golden Ball gets awarded to a player with 1 assist and no goals during the knockout phase of the competition is beyond me. I'm not a fan of Argentina but respect Messi, but still. At least he didn't cheat his way to a title like a certain other famous Argentinian.[/quote]

Messi doesn't deserve it at all..

I hate Robben but he had a fantastic tournament..

 

Robben had the exact same stats -- 1 assist and no goals during the knockout phase.

 

You're quite right that it's about performance, so let's stick to discussing that.

 

If you're curious, I agree that Messi didn't deserve it, but nothing to do with his statistics. Though to be fair to him, there were a large number of times he created gilt-edged opportunities for his teammates.

post #1419 of 1824
While there's always subjectivity in those awards (it is a vote after all), it isn't obvious to me that Robben would be more deserving than Messi. 3 GF & 1 ASS for AR vs 4 & 1 for LM - but most importantly Messi took Argentina to the finals - that team has been highly dependent on LM to win and progress. I'm not sure one would say the same for Ned.

Also I assume votes are in before the final whistle for these awards - the FIFA pre-selection was announced days ago. So the performance in the final (and clearly Messi disappointed there) may not have come into the decision.
post #1420 of 1824

Why that award keeps getting decided before the final is beyond me. Also, sadness galore here. We had it in many ways, but  poor striking/ball control plus one deffenseive hiccup and things can end like they did.

The german middlefield controlled the game and I was in awe just watching them not lose the ball for 3 minutes or so, but they also showed, again, how speed can unbalance their defense. Needless to say, they were worthy winners and displayed wonderful fùtbol all throughout the tournament. 

post #1421 of 1824
Well a good end to a great tournament. As pretty much neutral (preferred Argentina to win) it was actually a pretty decent game.

Argentina had it's chances but Germany was better on the day and for the whole tournament. Argentina never really a had a complete good game, in fact yesterday was probably the closest they came to a performance.

I know Messi was not particularily good but lets be honest. No Messi no hope in hell of this squad getting to the final 8. So much effort is made by teams to neutralize him that a deep team with players who step up would have exploited that. Aguero, Lavezzi, Palacio and Higuain were shadows of what we expect. Di Maria was better but with all that talent, so few goals.

What I saw was a bunch of passengers waiting for Messi to save them. That is not a World Champion in the waiting.

Defensively they played tough but I was surprised Germany did not attack from the flanks more. There were times when they were wide open and when they did do so, you saw poor marking so to me it was justified that the goal was exactly that.

So Congrats Germany - welcome to the 4 Star Club.



BTW - I was laughing out loud reading previous comments about the "Mexican wave" - boy it shows your ages and mine I suppose that people didn't know what that meant. Every wave since '86 has been called that by British commentators, which is the feed we get in Canada so I guess we are used to it.
post #1422 of 1824



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post #1423 of 1824
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Originally Posted by Mark Anthony View Post

Well a good end to a great tournament. As pretty much neutral (preferred Argentina to win) it was actually a pretty decent game.

Argentina had it's chances but Germany was better on the day and for the whole tournament. Argentina never really a had a complete good game, in fact yesterday was probably the closest they came to a performance.

I know Messi was not particularily good but lets be honest. No Messi no hope in hell of this squad getting to the final 8. So much effort is made by teams to neutralize him that a deep team with players who step up would have exploited that. Aguero, Lavezzi, Palacio and Higuain were shadows of what we expect. Di Maria was better but with all that talent, so few goals.

What I saw was a bunch of passengers waiting for Messi to save them. That is not a World Champion in the waiting.

Defensively they played tough but I was surprised Germany did not attack from the flanks more. There were times when they were wide open and when they did do so, you saw poor marking so to me it was justified that the goal was exactly that.

So Congrats Germany - welcome to the 4 Star Club.

BTW - I was laughing out loud reading previous comments about the "Mexican wave" - boy it shows your ages and mine I suppose that people didn't know what that meant. Every wave since '86 has been called that by British commentators, which is the feed we get in Canada so I guess we are used to it.

 

Agreed with all this. Messi's father had mentioned how exhausted the lad was , and it showed. Some thrilling runs here and there but overall a very tired performance. I just hope he can rest enough before the new pre-season training begins and another long haul gets underway. Longevity is certainly a rarity among the greats. 

 

Higuain performed above his potential last match and settled back into what I've expected of him with that miss...And much as I dislike Di Maria, his absence was certainly not insignificant. All in all I think Mascherano was Argentina's best player and, while Messi got them to the semis, it was Javier who kept them in it especially shutting out Robben. 

 

I assumed everyone knew what mexican wave was...

post #1424 of 1824
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that's got nothing on this bromance of so man yyears

 

post #1425 of 1824

Solari talking about US soccer 

 

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Kroos has said he's off to Germany. 

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2128685-real-madrid-transfer-news-toni-kroos-confirms-return-following-world-cup-win

 

Makes this interesting re: Khedira (Arsenal don't be cheap!) and especially if they go for Rodriguez as well, as he is represented by same agent as Di Maria which would make double commission should DM head out, PSG of course being interested...

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