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I didn't mean for you to call any shots I am just curious as to what you are deeming "sloppy/dishevelled"?
The oversized stuff? Tank tops and drop crotches?
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Edited by metranger8694 - 8/20/16 at 1:41pm
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For me it was just that people look extremely comfortable in what they're wearing in clothing that's disheveled or anti-fit, it's what made me like yohji a whole lot after initially panning it as looking like a hobo when I first got into clothing. But I can still understand that it may look outside the norm or strange to most.
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Cozy. SS/SLP
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Cozy. SS/SLP


I like everything you post:fonz:. But I'm wondering if different footwear would work better there.

 

Seems too formal/dressy(?) a boot for a cool casual outfit.

 

Got any Vibergs or suede Butteros?

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too hot to actually wear clothes. florida is the pits. all linen and summer wool.






Kid, drop off one shoulder of your tank to attain slutty tank coolness

And I like the 2 piece ensemble with the black trim, what brand is that?
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I like everything you postfing02%5B1%5D.gif. But I'm wondering if different footwear would work better there.

Seems too formal/dressy(?) a boot for a cool casual outfit.

Got any Vibergs or suede Butteros?

I see what you are saying in a way but the pant/boot proportions look good. I like this fit also. Maybe if you take the shine off the boots and hem the white shirt about 2 inches would take you from 90%:to 100
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Fokken not included but I always wondered why sloppy/disheveled was so admired here.

 

 

Sloppy/oversized fits are in my opinion a sort of protest again the norm. For example, i was always told to dress sharp, with beautiful colors to impress myself and other people,  get a nice slim silhouette. It's the norm, from sartorialism to fast fashion brands ( Zara, H&m, ... ) : get a nice silhouette and colors they match together.

 

Oversized/disheveled fits ( and i'll only talk in the fashion world) were born in the 90s, with the antifashion wave. In Japan with Rei Kawakubo ( Comme des garçons) and Yohji Yamamoto ( It maybe started earlier in Japan but it came in the 90s into Paris). But Also in Belgium with the 6 of Antwerpen.

 

Tha antifashion came after the VERY Luxurious period of the 80s, with Jean Paul Gautier, Azzedine Alaia and all the Parisian Haute couture movement, a period of recklessness, everything was fine. The female body was a sexual tribute, the silhouettes were made to blow minds: longs legs, clivages, ...

 

The early 90s were different, the AIDS were discovered for exemple, the recklessness was gone. Rei Kawakubo did not want to put the female body as an sexual object. She tried to hide it with oversized fits. Clothes weren't even finished, with raw ends and threads. ( hence the name: Comme des Garçons means As the boys, women can dress like boys. Powerful women don't need to use their body to success). She used a lot of plain, black colors to hide even more who was wearing the clothes. 

Comme Des Garçons AW92

 

 

Today, this kind of Antifashion is still present, not everybody want to "look good" ( as the norm says) . Clothes can be used to hide ourself behind.

Younger ( 20/25yo) fashion enthusiasts were born in the 90s and raised in the early 2000 with all the shit that involve: too much information with internet, the fear of unemployment, the fear of terrorist attacks/ 3rd world war, financial crisis and so on. 

I'm not talking about depression but clothes can reflect the state of mind of the person who wears it.

 

it's only my opinion, and my english is shit.

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To some extent I also think it often looks more natural when everything isn't perfect, since in "perfect" outfits it can easily look like the clothes are wearing you instead of the other way around
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Pretty sure Comme and Yohji's debut was in 1981, with Comme's 'Destroy' the next year and both in Paris. But definitely the same things that attract me to their ideas aa you @Fokken
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Pretty sure Comme and Yohji's debut was in 1981, with Comme's 'Destroy' the next year and both in Paris. But definitely the same things that attract me to their ideas aa you @Fokken


You must be right, i wrote the text without verifying any sources or dates.

I had the "Fashion ! - Antimode" documentary by Arte in mind and they spoke more about the 90s period.

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Not sure exactly but I think Rei said something like she felt she was being accepted by the fashion press/community in '96, so that period was probably when she was quite prominent in terms of people wearing Comme.
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Pretty sure Comme and Yohji's debut was in 1981, with Comme's 'Destroy' the next year and both in Paris. But definitely the same things that attract me to their ideas aa you @Fokken

CdG dates back to 70s, 81 was the Paris debut, both CdG and YY invaded europe (and 91 the join show of yohji & rei)
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Fokken - Your sentiments are on the money, but I think most of your dates might be 10 years off. Still, I understand where you're coming from and mostly agree.
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Got it

Thanks you all for the details.

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