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 It's a question of what is excellent and what non-excellent, not a question of what is acceptable and what sinful.

I can't imagine applying such a strict guideline without feeling I was being rather dogmatic. I may also have a higher tolerance than most for details coordinating, since I do that whole Ivy thing that's basically navy-and-burgundy garanimals.

 

Anyway, the problem with excellence is that you need a gold standard of excellence – and for me, there isn't one. There's a canon, there are traditions, but they are a shotgun, not a scalpel – I suppose if you're practicing a very limited, very pure aesthetic, you can speak with a great degree of certainty, but is anybody like that actually talking about clothes on the internet? I know I'm speaking some bastard dialectic that's sorta-darted-Ivy-American-Anglophile-Hong Kong tailors copying Italian suits, and I like having the freedom to pick and choose from within several different traditions in an informed way.

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I haven't yet accused anyone of ugly/sinful dress.

Can't wait for this to happen.
You appear to write your posts with an air as if you were regaling the undeserving masses with nuggets of canonical wisdom. Where all you're doing is stating your personal opinion. Perhaps if you change your tone, people are more inclined to listen.

What is ice pink, BTW? I've heard of ice blue, but other than an alpine herb with the name, I can't find anything on ice pink.
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Nice tie. Not sure about the hank: IMO, it shouldn't relate to anything in the ensemble, and its burgundy dots are echoing the tie. Try that kind of shirt check in red or tan with that tie.

I am inclined to agree with certain underlying ideas here. I don't think too much relation is, for the most part, a good thing. But to take this logic to an extreme (shouldn't relate to anything in the ensemble), we must have black shoes, a burgundy belt, gray pants, white shirt, blue jacket, green tie, and a yellow square. I don't think you are suggesting this. Some relationship is fine. But it is when a color is too closely echoed within an outfit that it looks less than wonderful...and I'd argue the red on Koala-T's square is a bit too close the burgundy of the tie. On the other hand, I love oatmeal based squares with brown ties, and oatmeal and brown are certainly related.

 

And yet, we make an exception for belts and shoes, which makes me suspect that the rule of thumb is more arbitrary than not. I don't the part of our brain responsible for the aesthetic appreciation of color interplay distinguishes between a brown on a belt and brown on a tie.

 

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Here is how to test my claim. Scroll back through this thread. Divide the hanks into those that echo a prominent color elsewhere in the ensemble, and those that don't. (White is not a color). Do the ones that don't echo look better than the ones that do? If I'm right, then the answer is "Yes."

And if the answer is "no"?

 

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Perhaps if you change your tone, people are more inclined to listen.
 

It would be nice if he does; I don't think he has stupid things to say.

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What is ice pink, BTW? I've heard of ice blue, but other than an alpine herb with the name, I can't find anything on ice pink.




A medical doctor also gives her or his opinion on what your condition is and how it should be treated. Is that just a personal opinion? No, it is an opinion based on training, practice, and reflection. And don't tell me that there's no disputing taste: anyone who spends time on this Forum clearly rejects that. If you doubt, run back through this and similar threads and do the tests I've recommended. What looks better?
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And yet, we make an exception for belts and shoes, which makes me suspect that the rule of thumb is more arbitrary than not. [...]

 

Holdfast had a neuro-physiological explanation for why matching between tie and square is distracting but between tie and items more distant not, actually citing experimental literature to support the claim.  This was somewhere in WAYWRN, though perhaps not it's current incarnations.

 

Cheers,

 

Ac

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What is ice pink, BTW? I've heard of ice blue, but other than an alpine herb with the name, I can't find anything on ice pink.
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A medical doctor also gives her or his opinion on what your condition is and how it should be treated. Is that just a personal opinion? No, it is an opinion based on training, practice, and reflection. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
And don't tell me that there's no disputing taste: anyone who spends time on this Forum clearly rejects that. If you doubt, run back through this and similar threads and do the tests I've recommended. What looks better?

 

Yeah, but they carry malpractice insurance. What do you carry?

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A medical doctor also gives her or his opinion on what your condition is and how it should be treated. Is that just a personal opinion? No, it is an opinion based on training, practice, and reflection. And don't tell me that there's no disputing taste: anyone who spends time on this Forum clearly rejects that. If you doubt, run back through this and similar threads and do the tests I've recommended. What looks better?

Also based on the scientific method and the associated experiments and studies conducted accordingly. A better professional analog would be an interior designer stating his or her opinions.

 

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Here are some examples that I feel work because of the relationship between the tie and the square (or some other element in the top block):

 

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and one which is worse for having a square relating to nothing:

 

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And if the answer is "no"?

It would be nice if he does; I don't think he has stupid things to say.

If it's "No," then I'm wrong. The only way to find out is to try it.
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If it's "No," then I'm wrong. The only way to find out is to try it.


You aren't going to be right or wrong. People with practiced eyes who have put a great deal of thought and effort into subjective endeavors can and will disagree. :cheers:

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A medical doctor also gives her or his opinion on what your condition is and how it should be treated. Is that just a personal opinion? No, it is an opinion based on training, practice, and reflection. And don't tell me that there's no disputing taste: anyone who spends time on this Forum clearly rejects that. If you doubt, run back through this and similar threads and do the tests I've recommended. What looks better?
As others have already stated, your comparison with a doctor's opinion is ridiculous.
And I don't recall telling you that there's no disputing taste. It's what we do here on SF. All I objected to was your stating your opinions as facts. And a friendly advice to change your tone to something less self righteous, though that clearly wasn't audible inside your turtle shell.
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You aren't going to be right or wrong. People with practiced eyes who have put a great deal of thought and effort into subjective endeavors can and will disagree. cheers.gif

Well, of course they'll disagree. They also disagree about the right answers to many problems in experimental physics. Just because there's intelligent and well-informed disagreement on the right answer to a question doesn't mean there's no right answer.

I take your earlier complaint about my saying the hank shouldn't relate to any other prominent color in the ensemble. That was too strong: I meant it shouldn't match or echo it. As Academic2 notes, this holds truest for the hank's echoing the tie colors, and then gets weaker the further you move from the hank.
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Some of us might not be particularly interested in the "opinions" of someone who seldom (if ever) posts pictures of themselves.  

Although I imagine that these people might be loonies who are locked up in loony bins and are allowed limited computer access (rather than having to wear a straight jacket and live in a padded cell) to pacify them, M. RoSaCe has a slightly kinder (and possibly more accurate) view of those who never post pictures of themselves but who make bizarre comments about what others are wearing.

(Don't worry, if you don't speak French, it's the image, not the words, that are the important thing.)

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Also based on the scientific method and the associated experiments and studies conducted accordingly. A better professional analog would be an interior designer stating his or her opinions.

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Here are some examples that I feel work because of the relationship between the tie and the square (or some other element in the top block):



and one which is worse for having a square relating to nothing:


I partly disagree with you there. I like the handkerchief choices in 2 and 3 quite a bit, and dislike #1. In 1, the hank's colors visibly echo those in the coat chest and the tie. In 2, they look almost all complementary. In 3, all complementary, or almost.
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E. Zegna Shirt

Samuelsohn trousers

Belvest Jacket

Accutron watch

Hickey Freeman overcoat

Heschung derbies

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Well, of course they'll disagree. They also disagree about the right answers to many problems in experimental physics. Just because there's intelligent and well-informed disagreement on the right answer to a question doesn't mean there's no right answer.

I take your earlier complaint about my saying the hank shouldn't relate to any other prominent color in the ensemble. That was too strong: I meant it shouldn't match or echo it. As Academic2 notes, this holds truest for the hank's echoing the tie colors, and then gets weaker the further you move from the hank.


(puts on kimono and taxidermy badger hat)

 

SW&D: YAWN. SO BASIC

 

 

(fails precise color theory triangulation of hank and tie)

 

CM: AAAAAAAH IT'S A WITCH BURN IT

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