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@PCK1 , it's possible to be right and a dick at the same time.

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In my experience, the single items of clothing which draw the most attention/compliments are my solid knit ties in sober colors.
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Had to post twice in this thread this year at least…..



Ermenegildo Zegna Silk Blend "Resort" Jacket
Truzzi Milano Shirt
Yellow Hook Neckties Navy Wool Tie
Vintage English Silk Hand Rolled Ancient Madder Pocketsquare
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Originally Posted by Koala-T View Post

@PCK1
 , it's possible to be right and a dick at the same time.

^ Agreed.

I do think there is, in general, not enough constructive and well meaning criticism in this thread. I don't know why this is; in part I wonder if because many of those who used to proffer criticism, even good criticism, often did so with condescending, belittling, or dismissive tone, all criticism has then been tainted, and those providing it aren't given the benefit of the doubt (i.e. even those offering it couched in diplomatic and friendly language are perceived as being belittling and belittling under the guise of being helpful).

Or perhaps we just feel that others would feel this way, and so refrain from criticism.

Or perhaps people no longer care?

Regardless, I think it is from this that PCK1's posts derive their tone. A reaction to the above circumstance rather than the outfits/items themselves.

I did start a thread a few weeks ago to try and address this. Appears to be going nowhere fast.

http://www.styleforum.net/t/513227/the-constructive-criticism-thread-15-thumb-minimum#post_8207746

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Butchy, my knits get a lot of attention, too.
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Originally Posted by Claghorn View Post

One of my least favorite arguments: women compliment me on it.

[...]

 

Indeed.

 

This sort of response to criticism has cropped up every 100 pages or so on this thread for years.

 

It’s not surprising.   It can take new members a while to realize that SF is a specialist forum populated by people with considerable expertise in matters of apparel, its history, and its cultural contexts, and that that sort of argumentum ad populum is therefore as irrelevant here as it would be on a forum devoted to physics, philosophy, literature, or any other discipline with established standards of accomplishment.   Handled civilly, most of them will come to understand this.

 

Cheers,

 

Ac

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Thread Starter 
Married? Join SF.
Unmarried? Join a gym.
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oh shit, did i post in the middle of a 2009 style dust up?
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Thread Starter 
You wish.
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Originally Posted by Claghorn View Post

You wish.

booo clags boo.
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Originally Posted by Claghorn View Post
 
 
I do think there is, in general, not enough constructive and well meaning criticism in this thread.

 

+1 :fonz:

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Originally Posted by Claghorn View Post


^ Agreed.

I do think there is, in general, not enough constructive and well meaning criticism in this thread. I don't know why this is; in part I wonder if because many of those who used to proffer criticism, even good criticism, often did so with condescending, belittling, or dismissive tone, all criticism has then been tainted, and those providing it aren't given the benefit of the doubt (i.e. even those offering it couched in diplomatic and friendly language are perceived as being belittling and belittling under the guise of being helpful).

Or perhaps we just feel that others would feel this way, and so refrain from criticism.

Or perhaps people no longer care?

Regardless, I think it is from this that PCK1's posts derive their tone. A reaction to the above circumstance rather than the outfits/items themselves.

I did start a thread a few weeks ago to try and address this. Appears to be going nowhere fast.

http://www.styleforum.net/t/513227/the-constructive-criticism-thread-15-thumb-minimum#post_8207746

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Butchy, my knits get a lot of attention, too.

Reason #1:

 

 

 

Why bother articulating why one likes or dislikes something when one can conveniently "thumb" it or not?  We have a 20 thumb fit thread, afterall.  

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Originally Posted by Claghorn View Post

One of my least favorite arguments: women compliment me on it.

People tend to compliment loud and garish items. In part this may be due to novelty. In part it may be salience. Similarly, it might be that they perceive you as calling attention to yourself, the loud item the focal point, and politely address it with a compliment.

There is probably more to it than that.

I very rarely have women or men compliment me on a specific item.* I very often get compliments on outfits as a whole or my style in general.

If a person wants to judge an individual item for its aesthetics, it is probably best to first remove some context (women/men like it or the guys on SF really like it) and remove connotation (garish = bad). Then seek to describe the item. For example, I would describe a Duchamp tie as: loud, garish, playful, fun. I don't describe it in this way to speak to its merit. But then I ask: are these adjectives that I want in a tie? does a tie with such features look good in the context of an outfit? do people I consider very well dressed wear ties that can be described as such? do the people who qualified others consider to be very well dressed wear such ties?
 

 

 

so true... if getting compliments from the ladies was the 

 
raison pour habiller we'd all be getting round like these guys
 

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Originally Posted by Murlsquirl View Post

The AAS thumb touch pose
  FAIL! (Click to show)

As usual, everything is from SF AVs.

 

EPIC FAIL!  Need some work on that pose.  Nice suit though.  The wide lapels make you look a bit top heavy in my opinion.  Especially given how slim the pants and you are.  It's still dope though.  

 

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  Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

@Tux Stain - this is in particular for you

 @ericgereghty @pravda

and anyone else that supports the tartan plaid shirt with white contrast collar...

 

Understand that people who are being nice and professing that "if you really love the shirt you should keep it" are just flat out plain and simple WRONG in this situation. 

 

In the case of this shirt it is an objective matter. The shirt is wrong. It is not subjective...the shirt may or may not be wrong or right depending on a given set of circumstances and preferences. The shirt is objectively wrong. It is an abomination. It is inherently conflicting in style and on a scale of formal/casual outfits. There is not a single outfit EVER...either with the most formal of suitings, odd jacket and trouser combination, or even a very casual menswear outfit sans jacket...where that shirt would be appropriate. 

 

Just because you love something doesn't mean that it is right or that it will work. In the instance of this particular shirt...it will NEVER work...and for this reason and assuming you want to improve you would be wise to do away with said shirt. 

 

There are the parents who baby their children and they grow up sheltered and incompetent and there are parents who expose their children to the world...the good and the bad...and they let their children make mistakes and learn from them.

 

This tartan plaid/contrast collar shirt is a mistake.

 

Learn from it...burn it...progress forward in a positive direction.

 

P.S. if you come back at me with some sweeping argument about methods of child-rearing then you are a lost cause because that is not the point of my argument. 

 

I have a blackwatch dress shirt with a white contrast collar.  I'll wear it later this week.  :fonz: :slayer::cheers:

 

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Originally Posted by ericgereghty View Post
 

Do people not comprise the rest of the world? Is that not where dude would be found in his shirt more often than in a thread serving as the extreme minority of overall people? I swear with the severity of your hatred for the shirt, you'd think the guy was wearing an "I HEART MY PENIS" shirt to a funeral. I've no doubt he could pair the shirt with just about anything in the real (sorry, that's where we all must live) world and receive compliments on it...which would do much to a) outrage the purists and b) piss on the notion of objectivity in the matter.

 

As I've stated, I find the shirt appalling, which is no different from the other tartan uses highlighted above. It's the absurdity of the severity in your statement of objective views that I find comical...

 

Can we start a "best quotes of WAYWRN 2015" award?  

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Originally Posted by Claghorn View Post


I do think there is, in general, not enough constructive and well meaning criticism in this thread. I don't know why this is; in part I wonder if because many of those who used to proffer criticism, even good criticism, often did so with condescending, belittling, or dismissive tone, all criticism has then been tainted, and those providing it aren't given the benefit of the doubt (i.e. even those offering it couched in diplomatic and friendly language are perceived as being belittling and belittling under the guise of being helpful).
 

 

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Originally Posted by sprout2 View Post
 

New SF poster dealing with criticism:

 

Also, the posters have made clear that this thread is the equivalent of a glossy magazine for looking at pictures and thumbing them. Witness one of my rare attempts to give specific advice to plaid shirt man and use specific language to frame the issue, only to be trolled my @Murlsquirl. Any exposition beyond "burn it," "sick fades," or "where 2 kop" is poo-pooed. This is probably why there are 12 different analysis threads trying to fill this gap.

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its really amazing how this thread never changes.

I hope @voxsartoria is watching.
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