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Originally Posted by kulata View Post


When you are rich enough then a 7K vs 3K decision would be the equivalent of comparing $50 Levis 501 vs. $200 APC (my jeans knowledge is weak so that's what came to mind). Jeans is jeans and the rest is branding right? A lot of rich people (not all) don't sweat the small stuff.

yeah, maybe my mistake was trying to apply logic to rich people's purchasing decisions. It is their money to spend, after all, it doesn't make much of a difference to them, and like you said, many of them don't care. Personally, I was raised to take into account those details even if it wasn't a significant amount of money to me, so I'm probably guilty of projecting my own opinions onto the question and passing it off as objective knowledge. My bad.

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Well, I thought we were in agreement since @Claghorn mentioned the branding point, and you seemed to implicitly agree when you said Rubinacci and Huntsman were just as much about branding for the bespoke incrowd, etc. I'm sorry if I misinterpreted your statement.

 

As far as my "assumption" that rich people don't have much sartorial knowledge, I was just commenting on @kulata's remark about some rich people not having the time to dedicate to our silly hobby (we are silly, by the way :nodding:).  Again, if I misinterpreted what he said, I'm very sorry. I didn't intend to categorically say that rich people don't have sartorial knowledge—obviously, some do, some don't.

 

Just out of curiosity, what type of details on Kiton or other uber-high-end suits are better than those found on Zegna, TF, and the like?

 

First: though I appreciate it, there is no need for apologies. We're just having a discussion here, right? 

Brand prestige plays a big role in both the bespoke world (Rubinacci/Huntsman) as in RTW, but it's not the only reason why those brands are more expensive than others. 

 

I think it's plausible that people who buy super high-end RTW brands do at least have the sartorial knowledge to seek out those brands, they probably know why these brands are more expensive and are willing to pay the premium. It's like taking a sartorial shortcut.

 

Kiton has some of the nicest fabrics you'll ever see (also some of the gaudiest...) and I think the styling and proportions of these super high-end brands is a bit more classic and less fashiony than Zegna/TF (I have no personal experience with those two brands)

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Nice fits on this page guys.. Ill try to keep the theme going... NEW SUIT!! Got this beauty a couple months ago but just got it back from the tailors last week..wore this yesterday and was able to snap some pics yesterday evening before it got too dark..

Then a more casual outfit from this weekend..Nothing but cottton and rumpled linen here..


What I look about all your suits that I've seen (besides the impeccable fit) is the length of your jacket. In many threads, people are wearing short jackets that don't cover their butt.

 

Very clean sir. I'd move to Fresno just to use your tailor (not really, but you do have a very good tailor).

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First: though I appreciate it, there is no need for apologies. We're just having a discussion here, right? 

Brand prestige plays a big role in both the bespoke world (Rubinacci/Huntsman) as in RTW, but it's not the only reason why those brands are more expensive than others. 

 

I think it's plausible that people who buy super high-end RTW brands do at least have the sartorial knowledge to seek out those brands, they probably know why these brands are more expensive and are willing to pay the premium. It's like taking a sartorial shortcut.

 

Kiton has some of the nicest fabrics you'll ever see (also some of the gaudiest...) and I think the styling and proportions of these super high-end brands is a bit more classic and less fashiony than Zegna/TF (I have no personal experience with those two brands)

I do think that there are some people who appreciate the differences and therefore seek out the brand and pay the difference, but I also it equally plausible that there are those "gaudy" rich people who will tell the salesman they want the best suit on offer, and don't take the time to appreciate any of the quality (just want to wear the most expensive suit).

 

I think, and again this is getting into my personal philosophy, that if you can't appreciate or learn about the fine aspects of a potential purchase, you shouldn't really buy it (applies to cars, wines, houses, clothes, etc.), but certainly others differ in this regard.

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Originally Posted by semperexcelsius View Post
 

I do think that there are some people who appreciate the differences and therefore seek out the brand and pay the difference, but I also it equally plausible that there are those "gaudy" rich people who will tell the salesman they want the best suit on offer, and don't take the time to appreciate any of the quality (just want to wear the most expensive suit).

 

I think, and again this is getting into my personal philosophy, that if you can't appreciate or learn about the fine aspects of a potential purchase, you shouldn't really buy it (applies to cars, wines, houses, clothes, etc.), but certainly others differ in this regard.

The first is an absolute certainty. Any who doubt, watch NBA post game press conferences come playoff time.

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Originally Posted by EliodA View Post
 

 

There may be valid reasons in choosing high end RTW over bespoke: e.g. location where one lives, available time, body shape etc. And as @9thsymph already noted, with RTW you know what you're getting. Even reputable bespoke tailors are no guarantee of success. Witness the various Rubinacci trainwrecks that have been posted here over the years, by some experienced SF members. Not to mention the horror stories about what some people have had to go through to get their pair of bespoke trousers delivered.

And if you read some of the excellent blog posts featuring suit dissections on http://tuttofattoamano.blogspot.com/, you'll learn that there is a lot of sloppy workmanship by famous bespoke tailors, compared to large scale, high end RTW brands. The only exceptions for consistent excellence being a small number of Parisian tailors, but then we're talking about quite a lot more than $7k....

(Edit: and one tailor in Chicago who is used by various members here and whose work always looks impeccable)

BTW, I forgot to ask about the second part of your post—I will definitely peruse the site, but since it seems that there is a lot of content to go through, which Parisian tailors consistently get it right? Cifonelli? Camps de Luca? Also, do Rubinacci or Huntsman or any of the other "brand-name" bespoke tailors that are so lauded really exhibit any major flaws?

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A very classic one today, hope you'll apprciate :

 

 

 

 

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Originally Posted by DonCologne View Post

The color of the tie is dark green




Didn't get a chance to say so earlier, but I like the tie, Don. If someone were to describe it: neat made with four colors of pastel flowers along with light blue kernals of rice - it would be difficult to fathom. But there it is. And it's cool.
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Good day gents!

 

 

 

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A very classic one today, hope you'll apprciate : Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)









Classic with norwegian double monks? No way. But I like it very much. lol8[1].gif
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Originally Posted by Sander View Post


Classic with norwegian double monks? No way. But I like it very much. lol8[1].gif

Classic until the shoes, you are right :slayer:

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Originally Posted by bienluienapris View Post
 

A very classic one today, hope you'll apprciate :

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

 

Are these by J. Fitzpatick? I've been very tempted to get a pair.

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Originally Posted by bienluienapris View Post
 

Today, after one week without tie or jacket since it was definetely too hot, i have a meeting today, so tie and jacket, but very summery outfit, what do you think ? It's a suit.

 

 

Very nice, and I love the shirt

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Originally Posted by davesmith View Post
 

 

Are these by J. Fitzpatick? I've been very tempted to get a pair.

Of course, it's by Fitzpatrick, really like this unusual design for a monk on this pair. About quality, in my opinion and from the opinion of my cobbler (who is a Compagnon du devoir) that more or less at the same level as CJ mainline or Carmina.

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