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That's not fair, man. Let me borrow some of that hair covering your forehead. I think mine is scared of my forehead or something because it's starting to retreat.
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Originally Posted by SeaJen View Post

Fucking awesome, is what it is. Or, lazy people suckling from the teat of government at the expense of tax payers, if you listen to a different narrative.

(Referring to paternity leave, not slavery, of course)


I don't think anyone misinterpreted that. lol

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I chose my words carefully. I didn't say no one fought the war for abolition (although most didn't). I said that the north created a mythology that it fought the war for equality. This isn't cynicism, it's an evidence based answer. Here is why: An examination of the historical record gives us intriguing instances where men and women sometimes believed in the absolute equality of all races, usually for religious reasons. The vast majority (and I mean VAST) believed no such thing. Most northern abolitionists didn't want to abolish slavery because they thought it was injurious to slaves, but rather because they believed that it took away potential jobs for poor whites. Indeed, a large portion of the abolitionists believed that blacks would never fully assimilate into American culture and, instead, favored sending them to Africa (and many were). So the mythology is created when northerners of a more modern era look back and paint their own ideals onto the past. They assume that their ancestors fought against slave holders because they must have felt similarly to us. This, alas, is far from he truth.

Yes, I have no doubt that the North crafted various narratives about the Civil War--its motivations, what the outcome meant, etc. That's what happens in war (the application of a social-science term doesn't really add much to that basic and familiar knowledge). I'm also sure that any assumptions that the North fought the Civil War for reasons that align with 20th or 21st-century views of racial equality are naive. So congrats! Your view is smarter than someone with a piss-poor idea of history!

But you've used being smarter than an imagined body of simpletons as leverage for making sweeping claims (backed up by CAPITALIZED WORDS about what most people thought). All of this to downplay the actual role of abolitionist ideas and ethical demands.

FWIW, the streak of "crude" Marxism in my thinking actually leads me to agree that, in the last instance, beliefs and ideas are motivated by material/practical realities. I just don't agree with the way you're making your case or the kind of intellectual/affective satisfaction it offers.
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That's enough, guys. End of discussion. PM each other if you want to carry on. Back to posting/discussing WAYWRN fits.
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See. This is why I saved the toilet picture.

I do think it is a good convo though. CE. But CE is a scary place. Maybe GNAT or MC Gen Chat?
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YAY OR NAY??Just want to get everyone's opinion on this Double Monk with a square toe.

Originally my though thoughts were you wouldn't catch me with a square toe but was wonder what is the consensus out there ?? cry.gif

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A big NAY
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Sorry. Posted my response before I saw Murl smack down.

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Caustic, YAY OR NAY?

*sorry I multi-quoted by accident from my phone. But yea wanted to ask...
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Sorry. Posted my response before I saw Murl smack down.
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Sorry. Posted my response before I saw Murl smack down.

That's what I assumed. Taken care of....carry on.
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We need an SF academics thread for to discuss topics of import, and shit.

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Can we talk about how Clags manages to be comfortable with that much hair in Texas? 

 

Clags, how do you manage to be comfortable with that much hair in Texas? 

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YAY OR NAY??Just want to get everyone's opinion on this Double Monk with a square toe.

Originally my though thoughts were you wouldn't catch me with a square toe but was wonder what is the consensus out there ?? cry.gif
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Years from now people will talk of the war I waged and say it was to free square toed shoes from appendage bondage, but the truth of the matter is, I despised them and wanted them forever removed from our feet.
Nay, nay, nay...thrice, nay!
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That's what I assumed. Taken care of....carry on.


What the! You deleted it? You could have at least left it up for posterity. That took a minute or two of thinking to come up with!

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