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post #61 of 124

Yeah I appreciate the sentiment (referring to the diamond quilting) but I think any SF flare might as well be left to the lining/tag - personally I'm going to be wearing this jacket zipped close to 100% of the time so I have no preference for the lining, I think it's safe to assume people will want something other than camo.

 

I'm all for LA Guy's input, I attribute the double rider moving so fast largely because of it, but I was under the impression he wasn't interesting in getting a moto since he already has an aero moto iirc. 

 

I also have no experience with photoshop so I can't help on that end. 

 

Haven't really heard much feedback from anyone on the back. Are people agreeing with the 2-piece back with lower panel as the back for this? If so I feel like our work is cut out for us. 

 

Things Distorb wanted the same as the Junya jacket which I am on board with:

 

1. Front Pocket Placements.

2. Studs at the bottom of center zipper.

3. No placket/wind guard underneath center zipper.

4. Slanted band collar closure.

5. double snaps on collar. 

 

Guess we'd use the daytona as the base model, japanese super slimfit (same as SF x Vanson DR). I kind of think for the base jacket (meaning the stock version) we should have the bicep pocket (zipper in the closed position at the front of the jacket like the junya), iirc as long as people are in on the initial buy they can choose to forego the bicep pocket if they want? Same with sleeve zipper placement, I kinda think they should be on the front as the Junya one is.

 

There's also the question of whether people want the side adjusters like the Junya one has, this is another thing I have no preference on. I could go either way depending on if people want it or not. 

 

Not trying to take over the design or anything, just trying to clarify what we want


Edited by HeavenResign - 6/23/14 at 7:13am
post #62 of 124
I also like the front pocket placement of the junya, no opinion about the bicep pocket, could go either way.

I'd prefer no side adjusters, but it isn't a deal breaker.
post #63 of 124

The pocket placement and slim fit are the defining elements for me. Reminds me of old racing suits you'd see in the Isle of Man TT 

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That combined with front facing sleeve zips and hardwear details like an exposed front double zip provides plenty of visual interest in my opinion. The back detail is the difficult one as you don't want this to be an exact copy of the Junya. I reckon the Daytona back design with adjusted fit and kidney panel shape would suit me personally. Few examples of 4 pocket designs and cafe racers both traditional and 'fashion':

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post #64 of 124
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The diamond quilting looks terrible imo.

not a fan as well
post #65 of 124
Haven't heard anything in a few days, @thurston bros what do we need to get this rolling into a prototype jacket and how does that process work? Does someone have to pay for the initial prototype jacket?

I'm not a fan of having kidney panels on the back but if it's what people want over the 2 piece with or without back panel that's fine. We could maybe do a straw poll with some of the common options? Iirc we don't have to worry about it being "too similar" to the junya jacket, as long as we aren't literally using the same exact pattern it's okay correct? All of these jackets are derivative of other jackets are derivative of other jackets etc etc
post #66 of 124
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Haven't heard anything in a few days, @thurston bros what do we need to get this rolling into a prototype jacket and how does that process work? Does someone have to pay for the initial prototype jacket?

I'm not a fan of having kidney panels on the back but if it's what people want over the 2 piece with or without back panel that's fine. We could maybe do a straw poll with some of the common options? Iirc we don't have to worry about it being "too similar" to the junya jacket, as long as we aren't literally using the same exact pattern it's okay correct? All of these jackets are derivative of other jackets are derivative of other jackets etc etc

 

Once we have a general consensus of what people want, we can begin the prototype process with Vanson.  We (Thurston Bros) will have the prototype jacket made, but we'll need a clear idea of the spec. list for the prototype!

post #67 of 124
Okay cool, can we get some clarification on the limits of how close to the junya design we can get? Is it like how I said and as long as we don't ask vanson to use the literally the same pattern it's fine? Or is it supposed to be justifiably different in over all features?
post #68 of 124
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Okay cool, can we get some clarification on the limits of how close to the junya design we can get? Is it like how I said and as long as we don't ask vanson to use the literally the same pattern it's fine? Or is it supposed to be justifiably different in over all features?


Fit-wise, we already have the pattern, so that can be the same.  Design-wise, we should be at least 25% different...  So, for example, we can do something pretty close, but it should be a separate StyleForum design...

post #69 of 124
How about doing the front zippers as they were in Junya and changing the back to some modern and simple?
post #70 of 124

I kind of like the idea of rear-facing cuff zippers. Maybe 8mm instead of 6mm.

post #71 of 124
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How about doing the front zippers as they were in Junya and changing the back to some modern and simple?

Yeah, how about doing this?
post #72 of 124
Yeah sure but what does modern and simple even mean in context to a 2 piece back on a Moto jacket? Without any examples all I'm reading are buzzwords. Pretty sure distorb listed pretty much all the options a page ago

In regards to the rear facing sleeve zippers if that's what will help make this justifiably different than the junya design that's fine by me. What does the 8mm refer to distorb the size of the zipper pull?
Edited by HeavenResign - 6/26/14 at 7:45am
post #73 of 124
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I kind of like the idea of rear-facing cuff zippers. Maybe 8mm instead of 6mm.

 

 

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Yeah, how about doing this?

 

 

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Originally Posted by HeavenResign View Post

Yeah sure but what does modern and simple even mean in context to a 2 piece back on a Moto jacket? Without any examples all I'm reading are buzzwords. Pretty sure distorb listed pretty much all the options a page ago

In regards to the rear facing sleeve zippers if that's what will help make this justifiably different than the junya design that's fine by me. What does the 8mm refer to distorb the size of the zipper pull?

The two things that we for sure would need to change are both the front and back design.  However, that shouldn't be very difficult (the fit is the tough part).  There are a lot of examples out there of what we could do...  Keep in mind that the Junya was derivative from the Vanson Daytona...we can do that here, but we need to make it our own...

post #74 of 124
Edit: I'm an idiot
Edited by HeavenResign - 6/26/14 at 9:45am
post #75 of 124
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So we can't copy the zipper placement exactly? Okay then, I'm still open minded to what people can come up with and I'll do some looking around/thinking but I think the front zipper placement was the glue that held this thread together. Unlike the double rider collab where people just wanted a similar fitting jacket without some of the details, the details are what makes this jacket so appealing to I assume nearly everyone that's posted in this thread. Interested to see if we can get ten people to agree on a new design on a $900ish jacket. But I mean if we can copy the fit I guess that is the biggest hurdle


Of course we can place the main zipper in the same placement...we were doing double-ended, full main zippers WAY before Junya...

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