Any New MMPORPGs Worth Playing (excludes WoW and GWars) - Page 4

geez mythic hasn't updated their graphics since daoc (2002).

First, if graphics made the game then we all would be playing Japanese and Korean games.

Second, DAOC's graphics are better than WOW's.

you're right on the first point. but i don't think daoc's graphics are better than WoW's. Even when DAOC released I remember being very underwhelmed by the graphics. Everything was generic-looking. The game had no character. I'm no fan of WoW but I think it blows it away in the graphics department. It may not be technically better, but for look and feel, it's worlds apart imo.

I find it a bit hard to believe that in all the time the game was in development, nobody thought of updating the graphics. I mean it's been 5 years and they don't look even a tiny bit better than DAOC's when it hit retail... Warhammer just looks like rebranded DAOC. I was never a warhammer nerd so it doesn't hold much appeal to me.

I always found daoc pvp to be watered-down compared to the old-school games. When I gank someone I want to loot their shit, dance on their corpse, and listen to them cry in /tells, not be awarded RPs. To that end I'm hoping Darkfall comes through, otherwise i'll just stick to pve, which won't suck me in to playing inhuman hours.

First, they have updated graphics twice since release. They look miles more detailed than graphics in WOW.
PVP in DAOC hands down the best PVP since AC-1. I played PVP-servers almost exclusively. The freedom of character customization is unparallel. No one looks like a clone of each other. The amount of content added since release is huge. I have played that game on and of for 3.5 years and I have not seen even 50% of dungeons and mobs.
Second, play PVP-server if you are such a hard-core PVP-er.
DAOC is the only game where you have to think and employ strategy otherwise you are owned.
You can start PVP at any level in DAOC. No need to wait till you are lvl 60.
You are clearly not very familiar with DAOC or it's development since 2002. Why post something about it's graphics if you don't really have any idea?

I watched the warhammer videos. Sorry, but they just don't look all that different than DAOC did back in 2002. Maybe they got graphics updates, I don't care. UO just got new graphics. It still looks like shit. Graphics amounts to more than just the detail of the textures. Overall, WoW is a more attractive game imo. Having said that, I don't base my decision to play this game or that on the graphics alone, and I still don't have any inclination to play either of them. I was just making a comment. ;p

Second, you keep telling me to play PVP servers in DAOC... PVP in DAOC is very level and numbers-centric. Sure, you can start pvp at level 5, but it doesn't mean you're going to get anywhere, especially if you're without guild support. At this point in the game's life-cycle i'm pretty sure that even if you could find "fair" (not that I care about fair) fights at level 20, every level 20 running around is a twink. It's just the way these games work. EQ is the same. Most low-level players are twinks. When I play pvp games I prefer to be competitive.

On that subject, there's a reason why any time a pvp server is announced in any game, there is a mad rush to cap. It happened right at release between Conquest and AngryElves which were the two top guilds server-wide (i forget which server we were on but it was the one all the pvp guilds agreed to play on prior to release). I was in that level-race. We were all playing 8-16 hours per day. We had to or else we couldn't keep up with the opposition. CQ completely trounced us when they were 40 and we were still 25-30. Levels and equipment are everything in DAOC (ok not everything, but a big part). At that time we were still individual guilds and hadn't formed AE. Once we did our leveling pace picked-up tremendously, we caught-up, and we started beating them (and their huge alliance) on a regular basis. I'm not sure if you know this, but the concept of zerging as it applies to MMOs basically got it's start with DAOC. AE was never very big, despite it being the amalgamation of the members of 3-4 small pk guilds. We used the term in reference to the massive numbers CQ and their buddies would throw against us any time they tried to take a keep. We were almost always fighting outnumbered but we doubled their RPs in short-order, AFTER we were on an even-footing.

To pretend like you can be competitive at anything but near the level cap is disingenous. Just to give you an idea of the type of players wer were, of the 3 main guilds that formed AE, most didn't actively recruit. it generally took years to get in and they filtered-out all but the very best, many of whom were top-ranked RTS or FPS players as well. I know how these games work in and out. I used to make a lot of money off them. They're how I first started buying expensive clothes. :P

I'm not trying to trash DAOC. I know there was a pretty good 8 vs. 8 scene that emerged later on, but I have no desire to go back and play DAOC or start warhammer, especially on 15-20hrs a week. Being successful in a pvp game requires a big time commitment that i'm not willing to make. I also wouldn't be happy without my old guild. I can't stand playing with fuck-ups in a pvp game.

So my decision to play or not has got nothing to do with whether I'm "hardcore." You can not be successful in an equipment and level dependant game unless you put in the time to get geared and leveled-up to a similar level as your competition. It's a basic fact stemming from the design of the games. AC was quite different, but I don't want to write a dissertation on the difference between the fundamental differences in the various game-systems. The ONLY game on the horizon that I could conceive myself dedicating that time to is DF because it is full-on, old-school, full-loot, ffa pvp in a game that is skill-based as opposed to level-based. Yes, that means you aim your shots and can dodge arrows and spells. They took the best of AC and UO. That game would be worth it. DAOC and warhammer aren't imo.

If you enjoy it, that's great, nobody is saying that you have to stop playing it.

Games don't make you do things. You do it yourself. You are the one who choose how to play the game.
I never take seriously complains about twinks and zergs and everyone choosing the same professions or specs.
I never followed other players choices and always stayed in top 10% in PVP. I never run with zergs, but we managed to own zergs and other 8-man groups becasue of superior tactics and discipline.
I also never take seriously complains along the lines: Oh that game is a grind! You find highest mobs and kill them repeatedly forever to level your toon"
People do darnest things to themsleves They choose the most idiotic way to spend their time in a game (because they are lazy) and then complain about it to no end.
This rant is not directed at you GQ. Just my general thought about players.

You're absolutely right on everything in that post. People used to whine about higher level players ganking them and saying they were only winning because they had more time. I don't want to be one of those people.After years of MMOs, I know what my tendencies are. If I were to play a pvp game, I would want to be at the top because I don't like losing. It sucks being someone else's canon fodder after you've been at the top of every game you've played.

If I played a pvp server, I would probably end-up playing till 2-3am every night with the rest of my guild, going to work dead-tired, and having no time for anything else. They would pretty much demand it of me. Stupid perhaps, but like i said in my first post, pvp was like crack to me, so I stay away. I can much better manage my time in pve games because they're far less competitive and I'm not playing with a group of people that are just as competitive as I am.

I see.
For me open PVP in DAOC was very sweet because i could pick any armor or weapon and outfit my toon in the most ridiculous way. It was fun to wear mage robes that were hiding my metal armor and swap my 2-handed axe for wooden staff and walk around like that until some stealther would jump me, hoping for a quick kill.
My most fav. toon was my cleric that despite being gimped by Mythic was tweaked by me to be a quick killer. Oh the hate-tells that i would receive after I own tanks and stealthers with my medicine man)
The joy of being right. I would pick the most obscure Realm Point Rewards and almost max them out on a test server (it is open for everyone) and then to no surprise of mine discover that that obscure Realm Ability was never properly tested (4 years into the game) and thus somewhat overpowered.
Then I would pop up on PVP server and enjoy well-deserved universal hate.
One thing I never did is attack greens (way below my lvl) or just gank gray players.
I don't like to win I like to compete against odds and win.

I was always a solo pker that allied myself with nobody. It is definitely more fun fighting at your level or against the odds. My favorite fights in AC were town vs. me sort of deals. In DAOC it was always a bigger thrill fighting outnumbered than anything else. Even so, I generally attacked anything that moved and didn't care what level my target was. My main char played a support role in daoc (guild was short on bards), but in AC1 I was not above LS-camping someone that pissed me off until i was bored or they were -40% vitae and completely naked. EQ just offered so many wonderful opportunities to fuck with people regardless of levels.