Originally Posted by Artisan Fan
Just because the handwork is somewhere else does not mean it is not there.
Where else would it be if it's not in the lapels and colalr? I really don't think you get 25 hours out of pic stitchnig lapels and attaching the sleeves and collar.
I mean you'd get about 50 hours of handwork if I had to perform those tasks but I'm guessing that the Kiton employees are a lot more skilled than I am.
Look at Zegnamtl's Kiton thread that Roger linked to. Clearly this is a meticulous process.
I don't doubt that.
I've never bought a Kiton but I look at them every time I'm in Bergdorf.
My point is that a machine made suit can be very good so why try to force the issue that Kiton has X amount of handsewing when it doesn't look like it does.
You seem to be arguing that in order to be good, it has to have a certain amount of handsewing. I disagree.