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post #316 of 361
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Originally Posted by teecube View Post

Rumors say that Garrison suits are made in China. Anybody have any experiences?
Their pricing are awfully high for a suit made in China

I've heard the same rumours. One of the people I work with has his suits made by Garrison but he told me the other day that he has doubts about their quality (he said he's not sure that what he's gotten has been real bespoke).

post #317 of 361
Everybody call themself bespoke. I am not sure who is the real thing.
Definition of "bespoke " and "made to measure " seems to overlap each other
post #318 of 361
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Originally Posted by teecube View Post

Everybody call themself bespoke. I am not sure who is the real thing.
Definition of "bespoke " and "made to measure " seems to overlap each other

For some businesses it's just a selling point, trying to pass their merchandise off as better than it really is . This scummy way of life has been going on for thousands of years.
post #319 of 361
Whether it's made in China is not a problem for me. Their suits are well constructed and have decent amount of handwork. I never had any fit issues, in terms of collar gaps, shoulder divots etc, everything was always spot on. If you settle for basic fabrics, they are expensive but not over the top.

Where they are lacking is cut (I think it's over aggressively trimmed) and the fact that they do not listen nor want to understand their customer. They treat everyone as if it's the first they are getting the suit. That is the reason I've given up on them.

Bespoke - you don't get basted fitting, so not bespoke in the traditional sense. But even in traditional bespoke there is a lot of mythology.
post #320 of 361
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For some businesses it's just a selling point, trying to pass their merchandise off as better than it really is . This scummy way of life has been going on for thousands of years.

I have no problem with suits that are made in China. Handwork is beautiful, cut is ok (usually have gap behind collar) , price is good. But I have problem with those scummy businesses that sell suits that are engineered and made in China but claiming they are made locally by experienced tailors and charge excessive pricing to unsuspecting clients.
post #321 of 361

^

This

 

I had a number of Garrison suits and they look great and have held up very well. However, I can't rationalize some of the prices they charge given it is essentially a MTM+ service, Chinese or not. 

 

The other concern I had was with the advertising, events and branding. Yes I'm all for people making it and expanding, but it got to a point where you realize that you're paying for all of that "experience" and the creation of a brand.

post #322 of 361
Thanks akoustas. Totally agreed. But I still can't swallow the misleading part.
post #323 of 361

Hey everyone, I'm a long time lurker who has gotten a lot of help from this forum, and I thought I would chime in on this subject. I currently own three bespoke (depending on how you all define it) suits from Garrison.

 

With respect to the issue of the suits being made in China, if you go with their "bespoke" line (more about the bespoke bit below) their tailors are in Toronto (who are involved in your fitting process) and they have a facility near the storefront on Wellington where the suits are made. If you go with their MTM line (which is at a lower price point than bespoke) those are currently being made at Coppley in Hamilton. 

 

As far as the issue of bespoke, all three of my suits have involved a mock suit being made, adjusted, and then the suit being made off that pattern which is then adjusted until it is right. I have had 5-8 fittings per suit, and so far am happy with the suits I own. I have NOT had the basted fitting done, although apparently it is available at a higher price point. 

 

So far I am happy with the suits I have received, they fit very well, I feel they are well constructed, and I get a lot of compliments when wearing them (which is nice). I also feel comfortable with the prices that I have paid for my suits, I understand that they are certainly not cheap, but I feel I have received good value for my money. Will I continue to get suits there? More than likely I will, although there are other places I would like to try. I am considering giving an Ermenegildo Zegna or Canali MTM from Harry Rosen a go to see how I like it, and also because the shorter turnaround time is attractive to me. I'm also a very happy leatherfoot customer (like many others on this site), and would love to get something made by Francesco Sr. at some point. 

post #324 of 361

Who are the shops in Toronto that are true bespoke? The only ones I'm aware of are Trend and Ferrigamo?

post #325 of 361
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Who are the shops in Toronto that are true bespoke? The only ones I'm aware of are Trend and Ferrigamo?

 

No personal experience but Francesco Sr out of Leatherfoot would be another, and I believe Tower Bespoke? Certainly seems that way based on their Instagram.  

post #326 of 361
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Originally Posted by spiermackay View Post
 

Who are the shops in Toronto that are true bespoke? The only ones I'm aware of are Trend and Ferrigamo?

From what I've heard, Francesco Sr. is also true bespoke; The Hogtown Rake has a number of article extolling the quality of Francesco's craftsmanship.

post #327 of 361
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From what I've heard, Francesco Sr. is also true bespoke; The Hogtown Rake has a number of article extolling the quality of Francesco's craftsmanship.

Francesco Sr. pricing is out of my range (5G for a jacket), but for awhile he measured clients here and send fabrics to China to get it made, so...I am not sure if he's still doing that.
Tower bespoke works at Trend? I think. So Trend is true bespoke, he's doing in house.
I also heard Dirty is also bespoke with basted fitting( which I preferred) I will visit him soon.
post #328 of 361
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Originally Posted by SamAdams59 View Post

Hey everyone, I'm a long time lurker who has gotten a lot of help from this forum, and I thought I would chime in on this subject. I currently own three bespoke (depending on how you all define it) suits from Garrison.

With respect to the issue of the suits being made in China, if you go with their "bespoke" line (more about the bespoke bit below) their tailors are in Toronto (who are involved in your fitting process) and they have a facility near the storefront on Wellington where the suits are made. If you go with their MTM line (which is at a lower price point than bespoke) those are currently being made at Coppley in Hamilton. 

As far as the issue of bespoke, all three of my suits have involved a mock suit being made, adjusted, and then the suit being made off that pattern which is then adjusted until it is right. I have had 5-8 fittings per suit, and so far am happy with the suits I own. I have NOT had the basted fitting done, although apparently it is available at a higher price point. 

I saw Garrison 'bespoke' suits, no doubt that they look great ( just like Suit supply, Surmesure...) but if you tell me that you did NOT have a basted fitting , I really doubt that your suits are made locally, especially when you said garrison "facility" is near by, I would wonder why you did not have a basted fitting. To make you a mock suit would take a same amount of time ( if not more) comparing to making you a basted fitting jacket. But maybe it's the way garrison like to do it or maybe just buying time while your suits are being made overseas.
It's difficult to find a tailor that you are comfortable with, and matching with your expectation than I see no reason for you to try another one. That's just my idea. But thank you for sharing your experience.
post #329 of 361
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Originally Posted by teecube View Post


Francesco Sr. pricing is out of my range (5G for a jacket), but for awhile he measured clients here and send fabrics to China to get it made, so...I am not sure if he's still doing that.
Tower bespoke works at Trend? I think. So Trend is true bespoke, he's doing in house.
I also heard Dirty is also bespoke with basted fitting( which I preferred) I will visit him soon.

I know what you mean, I was looking around town for my first MTM suit and when I heard what Francesco's pricing was like, my jaw dropped to the floor.

post #330 of 361
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Originally Posted by teecube View Post

I saw Garrison 'bespoke' suits, no doubt that they look great ( just like Suit supply, Surmesure...) but if you tell me that you did NOT have a basted fitting , I really doubt that your suits are made locally, especially when you said garrison "facility" is near by, I would wonder why you did not have a basted fitting. To make you a mock suit would take a same amount of time ( if not more) comparing to making you a basted fitting jacket. But maybe it's the way garrison like to do it or maybe just buying time while your suits are being made overseas.
It's difficult to find a tailor that you are comfortable with, and matching with your expectation than I see no reason for you to try another one. That's just my idea. But thank you for sharing your experience.

I'm a little confused as to why you're convinced that Garrison's (bespoke) suits are made in China. I've had fairly substantial conversations with the staff and the owner as to what I was buying when I bought their product, and I have been assured that my suits are being manufactured right here in Toronto (not tailored after the fact, but manufactured). I understand that there are many MTM outfits around our city who are manufacturing in China (because it's inexpensive), and nothing against those businesses, but I have no reason to believe that I have been lied to.

Do you have some sort of evidence for this claim? If so I'm sure myself and others who have paid a premium for our Garrison suits would appreciate you sharing. Sorry, not trying to be confrontational, but if I've been directly told something by the owner of a business and someone has proof that it isn't true then I think as a consumer I have the right to know.
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