Kabbaz Shirts - Page 11

For anything to cost anything, two conditions have to be met: Someone has to be willing to pay that price. And the maker has to be willing to supply the product at that price. End of story. Kabbaz clearly meets both conditions, since he stays in business. Price is not determined by the costs of production.

less yapping, better pics please

I said that I see no reason to assume why his shirts are any good. You aren't me. You own his shirts; I don't.

In short: no.

I very cleary acknowledge in my post that price correlates with much more than production cost. Did you miss the part where I talk about many elements contributing to price? Some expensive things are more expensive for more obvious reasons. It's not so obvious why Kabbaz shirts are so expensive; you more or less said the same thing in the post I replied to.

If you cannot imagine what could make a Kabbaz shirt 'worth' $1,000, than you and I are more in agreement than you represent.

The description of his shirtmaking process in the link you've provided still doesn't make it apparent why his shirts cost twice as much as the world's other contenders for 'best shirt'. It's all done by machine--so why so pricey? I specifically maintained the possibility that the machine-sewing is done exceptionally well. It's just that exceptional machine-sewing is less obviously exceptional (and hence, costly) than hand-sewing.

If I recall correctly from one of AK's old posts, the client is also hosted at at cottage for a weekend while he conducts further fittings. So this service is also built into the price.

Wow, you sure read a lot into my comments. I certainly don't think you're under any obligation to do anything in particular. I just thought that since you're one of the few forum members who own Kabbaz shirts, it would be nice of you to offer an evaluation of the construction details with some photographs. Others have expressed a similar interest, and if anyone's qualified for such a project, it's you. Of course, if you don't feel like doing it, nobody 's stopping you.

Good call, AF. I can't tell you how bothered I am that he hasn't come over here to talk about his pricing to people who can't afford his shirts and who can't be bothered to do a simple search (the results of which would tell you even his expected margin).

Just thinking about this in terms of any other industry is laughable.

How many businesses will, on demand, disclose how they arrive at their prices and how much they expect to make per transaction? And of those, how many businesses will bother to defend those prices to people who have no intention of buying the product? And of those businesses how many would take the time to do it again if some more people came along and wanted to hear the same explanation but didn't want to take about 20 min to figure it out?

Personally, I can't afford Alex's shirts. They're nice shirts but I'm okay with that. I am a pretty awesome client but I think Alex is also okay with that (if he's not, PM me and we can set up an appt for some subsidized shirts).

Even if I were stacking the sort of paper I'd have to be to afford Alex's shirts, I don't know if he'd be at the top of my dream shirtmaker list anymore. I imagine that Charvet or Sivligia could do something similar at a better price. But that's about as important as the results of the top five celebrity hookups thread.

I have no suspicions about Alex or his prices. The fair price for something is where someone will lift your offer often enough for you to stay in the business. Alex's prices have obviously done that. It would be nice to be able to afford someone of that caliber without travelling very far from home but I certainly don't hold it against someone for charging as much as he can get away with - when it's a luxury item and the target audience is very much able to pay.

I'd be more willing to believe that this line of 'inquiry' was based on something more that Alex's internet popularity if there were similar threads about William Westmancott , for example.

Just wait until the discussion moves to whether or not Kabbaz will or won't and should or shouldn't offer black shirts...

Now I understand how a johnapril is created.