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post #121 of 231
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I think you have missed the point. This thread was not meant to hold a serious discussion.

Do you really want to have a lame-ass, serious discussion about a custom shirt?
I find in my travels that some people like to hear themselves speak, or write.
post #122 of 231
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I find in my travels that some people like to hear themselves speak, or write.

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So what?
post #123 of 231
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Originally Posted by Nantucket Red View Post
At one time I was considering placing an order, but I'm geographically challenged when it comes to working with New York based makers. Adding a travel premium to Kabbaz shirts was out of the question.

I haven't even tried Ginza's top of the line shirts yet. The ones I've had made are priced slightly lower than Brooks' MTM shirts and are vastly superior. I imagine their full bespoke shirts would be nearly equal to most of the finest bespoke shirts available.

How much is Ginza?

I would have figured that anyone who could seriously think about meeting a Kabbaz minimum order would go whole hog anywhere else...
post #124 of 231
My guess is that part of the cost of a shirt by Alex is his experience at fitting the shirt meticulously and perfectly.

Still, it would be nice for use artisan fans to see some close-up porn of the shirt details...how is the sleeve done? what about the buttons? the collar?

Inquiring minds want to know.
post #125 of 231
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Originally Posted by Artisan Fan View Post
My guess is that part of the cost of a shirt by Alex is his experience at fitting the shirt meticulously and perfectly.

Still, it would be nice for use artisan fans to see some close-up porn of the shirt details...how is the sleeve done? what about the buttons? the collar?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Manton's silence on more photos forces one to draw a dire conclusion: these shirts are not actually made by Kabbaz. In all likelihood, they are artisan works from Van Heusen.
post #126 of 231
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Originally Posted by Artisan Fan View Post
Still, it would be nice for use artisan fans to see some close-up porn of the shirt details...how is the sleeve done? what about the buttons? the collar?

Inquiring minds want to know.

That Crackerjack box camera can't do closeups worth a damn. Sorry.
post #127 of 231
I've probably seen Kabbaz' shirts referenced in 100 different threads since I started reading Styleforum and AskAndy, yet no one has posted a single picture of themselves wearing one.

I realize this thread is some sort of subtle "joke" for the benefit of the regulars here, but I would really appreciate seeing someone wear an elusive Kabbaz shirt. Plenty of others must feel the same.
post #128 of 231
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Originally Posted by Cantabrigian View Post
How much is Ginza?

I would have figured that anyone who could seriously think about meeting a Kabbaz minimum order would go whole hog anywhere else...

The MTM shirts I've gotten made so far are in the $100-$120 range depending on the fabric and options. Their bespoke line starts around $200 for the more ordinary fabrics. There are many more options and it can get expensive quickly. My rationale was to resolve any fit issues and get a rotation of the less expensive shirts before going the whole hog. Same with the suits. I didn't see any reason to jump straight into fully handmade bespoke.
post #129 of 231
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Originally Posted by Pennglock View Post
I've probably seen Kabbaz' shirts referenced in 100 different threads since I started reading Styleforum and AskAndy, yet no one has posted a single picture of themselves wearing one.

I realize this thread is some sort of subtle "joke" for the benefit of the regulars here, but I would really appreciate seeing someone wear an elusive Kabbaz shirt. Plenty of others must feel the same.

His shirts are never worn. They are merely hung in shrines and bask in the adoration of their supplicants.
post #130 of 231
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His shirts are never worn. They are merely hung in shrines and bask in the adoration of their supplicants.

That explains a lot.
post #131 of 231
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His shirts are never worn. They are merely hung in shrines and bask in the adoration of their supplicants.

[quote=Artisan Fan;577075]That explains a lot.[/QU

Here is a picture of some guy wearing a Kabbaz shirt.

You judge the fit.

post #132 of 231
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That explains a lot.[/QU

Here is a picture of some guy wearing a Kabbaz shirt.

You judge the fit.




post #133 of 231
You left out "What is the point of this thread if I have already made up my mind and I don't need to see either the shirts or your lousy pictures"?
post #134 of 231
I'm going to set aside the jokes to address what I see as the white elephant in the room: I suspect there's not much need for an in-depth discussion/detailed pics on Kabbaz's shirts because there's not much to say or see.

There seems to be an implied expectation that there's something almost magical about the $1,000 shirt. It's as though some folks want the shirts to be woven of gold and held together with unbreakable thread. But I imagine a photo essay would show us a shirt that looks much like many other single-needle stitched, machine-sewn shirts of good quality.

Here's the rub: We've already stipulated that cloth quality is beside the point, and we all know the role personal preference plays in shirt fit. So what does that leave us to discuss about Alex's shirts? If the seams are sewn well, if the collars fit well, if the client is happy, there you go. I don't mean to speak for Alex, but he's repeatedly said the value of his services isn't just the shirt, but his commitment to pleasing the customer and the long-term service he provides. His customers pay for his ability to meet their wants and needs, and, honestly, the prestige of wearing his costly shirts. A photo essay isn't going to reveal any of that.

Some folks seem to want someone to come along and prove that one of Kabbaz's shirts is worth $750 or $1,000. Well, I'll say it: They're not. At least not to me, and I can say that without ever having owned one. But Alex's regular customers clearly feel the opposite, and that's fine. I don't think Kiton suits are worth their price, or Borrelli MTM shirts, or Berluti shoes. Ultimately, Alex's shirts are products the same as these. There's nothing supernatural about them; in the end, they're just shirts. Reasonable people can disagree on the value, just as they can disagree over Paris v. Geneva.

With that, I'll step down from my soapbox. Perhaps some of you guys have enough shirtmaking knowledge to tell me what I'm missing here. If so, in all seriousness, please do.
post #135 of 231
Honestly it bothers me a bit that Alex does not answer the questions here. He is a member here and could give us more information on his shirts.

I suspect there are some good reasons for the shirt price but I would like more info.
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