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post #31 of 300
How come Kabbaz v Indignation at his prices wasn't included in best styleforum feuds? Seems to pop up every few weeks or so
post #32 of 300
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Originally Posted by WSW View Post
How come Kabbaz v Indignation at his prices wasn't included in best styleforum feuds? Seems to pop up every few weeks or so

For the record, I'm not indignant about them. (It seems like a waste of energy to be indignant about anyone's prices.) I just don't want to pay them.
post #33 of 300
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Originally Posted by WSW View Post
How come Kabbaz v Indignation at his prices wasn't included in best styleforum feuds? Seems to pop up every few weeks or so

In case I was mistakenly understood to be saying otherwiese: I'm not indignant over anyone's pricing. I agree with Manton on that count: you can charge whatever you feel like. Value, on the other hand, is a different matter.

And as to value, I have no idea how Kabbaz shirts stack up. I was merely pointing out that many people seem very eager to heap praise on Kabbaz shirts when so few have actually seen the genuine article.
post #34 of 300
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Originally Posted by mafoofan View Post
GQ also says, in the same issue, that Church's (post-Prada nonetheless) are the best benchmade shoes available.

I saw that! I thought of asking GQ, ever heard of EG, JL, Vass....?
post #35 of 300
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Originally Posted by CPATAILOR View Post
I wear ALex Kabbaz shirts and can speak for tbe highest level of fit and construction as well as superior customer service.

It makes no sense to compare the price of an AK shirt with that of a European maker. Comparason should be with the other US maker. I have shirts made by Paris and Geneva. Good shirts -- Not great. The biggest problem IMO and that of my friends is that there is a consistency issue with both of these makers. Wrong fabric delivered, wrong collar style delivered, below average button holes, wrong monogram or wrong placement of monogram etc etc.

Is it worth paying 2 or 3 times for a AK shirt. For me, Yes. I happen to think that the best shirt $ for $ are the shirts produced by Carl Goldberg of CEGO Shirtmakers in NYC.

I guess it's different strokes, at least on the Net. The type of business someone actually does probably speaks louder than all the nits and picks the lot of us can come up with.

Like Geneva shirts, to me they never had much going for them. They make an adequate shirt but I gave them away to relatives. Doesnt mean there isnt something there for other people, it just means I didnt find them elegant and business like. I would prefer them to an off the rack shirt but they dont lend themselves to the type of person I am and like to present myself as. There cant only be one good shirt maker in the whole world, or don't you believe that?

CEGO: threw em out. Sorry, as much as I like CEGO, I wouldnt wear the shirts. Does that mean that he doesnt provide a useful service for others? Absolutely not, and he is easy to work with. There are different reasons people need things or want things. Your lifestyle, your profession, location. What if someone wants to get their toe wet with special order shirts? What if someone is on a budget?
I have no trouble trying to understand someone else's needs, what makes me curious is why I see several people always trying to proclaim the best or the one and only?

AK shirts: I have seen a lot of them but to list the question marks they have triggered I feel would cause a riot on here for political reasons and J doesnt deserve that. Obviously there are people who want to try his wares out and I say bully for them. America is a free speech, capitalist country and as long as I can say what I want, he can charge what the market will bear.

Paris shirts I find to be the most elegant and I have never had a problem with an order. I don't say that you never had a problem with an order but I do wonder about levels of communication. I have noticed some recent problems with Paris have really been communication problems. I say this because what you are saying seems to revolve around orders gotten wrong and not intrinsic problems with fit and construction. I have bumped into people in the custom world who seem to equate getting what they want with superior quality and getting say the wrong collar with poor quality. For people that have been taken by customer service niceties over those of the empirical product, you will understand what I mean.

My Paris shirts always fit me well throughout body changes. I always got great pattern matching, I never got plastic buttons and the shirts always fit me the way I like, moderately.


Paris shirts is always a little amused by any threads complaining about their shirts because they are over subscribed and their best advertising is word of mouth. They have thousands of satisfied customers and many of them are high end retail stores you would be surprised to know about. My point is that they don't have to run around the Net bullying people not to say a single negative thing about their shirts.


There are lots of Paris shirt photos on these links and at my forum folded, unfolded and worn by the shirt owners. Perhaps you can avail us of something similar for your favorite shirts?


http://www.filmnoirbuff.com/article/is-paris-burning

http://www.filmnoirbuff.com/article/...shirts-reprise

There always seems to be a story behind someone's disatisfaction with a maker that has little to do with the product. It's always good to enquire about someone's motives. While I am not and do not want to be a stylist, a consumer advocate, critic or an expert on men's fashion I do think I bring a unique depth of experience and voice to the table which is useful for the American office worker. I have tried several different makers and I like Paris. You dont have to like them because I like them. But, likewise, you dont have to find a reason why you dislike one to justify why you are going to another.
post #36 of 300
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Originally Posted by lawyerdad View Post
If they have a "satisfaction guaranteed" policy, call me -- I can make you rich.


Is that a satisfaction guarantee for your services?
post #37 of 300
I have a hard time getting any rtw shirt that fits perfectly.

For me, the best shirt is bespoke. I'm partial to my WW Chan shirts. They look great, fit perfectly, and cost about 1/3 as much as these.
post #38 of 300
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Originally Posted by Kai View Post
I have a hard time getting any rtw shirt that fits perfectly.

For me, the best shirt is bespoke. I'm partial to my WW Chan shirts. They look great, fit perfectly, and cost about 1/3 as much as these.

Chan is about $120, right? That's actually a little more than half of Geneva's floor price.
post #39 of 300
Hah..I have 2 Charvets and 2 borellis =)
post #40 of 300
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Originally Posted by Film Noir Buff View Post
AK shirts: I have seen a lot of them but to list the question marks they have triggered I feel would cause a riot on here for political reasons and J doesnt deserve that. Obviously there are people who want to try his wares out and I say bully for them. America is a free speech, capitalist country and as long as I can say what I want, he can charge what the market will bear.


Paris shirts is always a little amused by any threads complaining about their shirts because they are over subscribed and their best advertising is word of mouth. They have thousands of satisfied customers and many of them are high end retail stores you would be surprised to know about. My point is that they don't have to run around the Net bullying people not to say a single negative thing about their shirts.


There are lots of Paris shirt photos on these links and at my forum folded, unfolded and worn by the shirt owners. Perhaps you can avail us of something similar for your favorite shirts?


There always seems to be a story behind someone's disatisfaction with a maker that has little to do with the product. It's always good to enquire about someone's motives. While I am not and do not want to be a stylist, a consumer advocate, critic or an expert on men's fashion I do think I bring a unique depth of experience and voice to the table which is useful for the American office worker. I have tried several different makers and I like Paris. You dont have to like them because I like them. But, likewise, you dont have to find a reason why you dislike one to justify why you are going to another.

You are a slippery devil, aren't you? First you say that the Kabbaz shirts you have seen raise "questions", but you don't want to list them in order to spare J, preferring to disparage them by innuendo. Then you go on and bash Kabbaz and his business practices all without coming out and saying anything. Finally, you do the same with Manton, never mentioning his name but insinuating that it is his problem and not Paris'. Why don't you just say what you have to say rather than pretending you are a nice young man with a mouth in which butter would not melt. It doesn't ring true comign from you.
post #41 of 300
Matt recently picked up a Matuozzo for me and I will finally get around to posting some pics. At current prices this is a terrific shirt and I can't imagine the full bespoke quality at Anna's shop.

I really like my Kiton shirts as well and although pricey I have been pleased with the durability, fit, fabrics, and style.

I also like Borrelli but the quality control is hit or miss although seems better lately.

I'm tempted to try Alex' shirts but at his prices and minimum order I am given pause. I've had enough exchanges with Alex via PM and on AAAC I am all but convinced he makes a stellar product. His detailed washing instructions alone indicate the degree of his labor of love.

As for putting any faith in GQ well they have been uber fashion brand-centric for a long time now. I prefer SF and AAAC and the occasional Bill Kissel article in Robb Report for the real scoop.
post #42 of 300
I'm done with MTM shirts and have never tried bespoke but would probably only try them if I could go to the source (naples). My dress shirts are Kiton, Borrelli and Barba. I get them relatively cheap, the fabrics are great, the fit is great (particularly Borrelli) and for me the marginal increase in fabric quality and fit of bespoke is just not worth the premium. I've tried almost all the store MTM programs, Bergdorf, Barneys, Saks, Brooks and I hate them all. Get me bespoke shirts for the $150-175 that I get Kiton and Borrelli shirts for and I'm all in.
post #43 of 300
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Originally Posted by edmorel View Post
$150-175 that I get Kiton and Borrelli shirts for and I'm all in.

You don't pay that much for them, come on

Why can't they come up with a standard sizing that relates chest and waist fit and not just neck? I have 16/41 Borrellis that fit me well with darting and now some that are tents with the same marked size. I realize they are for different markets, but there is no reason not to have better OTR sizes.
post #44 of 300
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Originally Posted by Artisan Fan View Post
I've had enough exchanges with Alex via PM and on AAAC I am all but convinced he makes a stellar product. His detailed washing instructions alone indicate the degree of his labor of love.

I don't mean to be difficult, but how much can a shirtmaker's own words about his own shirts demonstrate whether they are stellar? For the prices he charges, I'd want much more than his word that they are amazing shirts before making such a commitment.

Ultimately, regardless of how good a Kabbaz shirt may be, there are plenty of great shirts that many more people have seen and touched, and thus, can legitimately vouch for. Also, Kabbaz claims to not need any more business.

Not that he and I would ever want to deal with each other in person, I suspect, but even if that weren't the case, I've never been compelled to try his shirts out in the least.
post #45 of 300
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You don't pay that much for them, come on


What do you think, I'm stupid

Imagine if that sentence read "$50-75 that I get Kiton and Borelli shirts for and I'm all in"
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