Originally Posted by CPATAILOR
I wear ALex Kabbaz shirts and can speak for tbe highest level of fit and construction as well as superior customer service.
It makes no sense to compare the price of an AK shirt with that of a European maker. Comparason should be with the other US maker. I have shirts made by Paris and Geneva. Good shirts -- Not great. The biggest problem IMO and that of my friends is that there is a consistency issue with both of these makers. Wrong fabric delivered, wrong collar style delivered, below average button holes, wrong monogram or wrong placement of monogram etc etc.
Is it worth paying 2 or 3 times for a AK shirt. For me, Yes. I happen to think that the best shirt $ for $ are the shirts produced by Carl Goldberg of CEGO Shirtmakers in NYC.
I guess it's different strokes, at least on the Net. The type of business someone actually does probably speaks louder than all the nits and picks the lot of us can come up with.
Like Geneva shirts, to me they never had much going for them. They make an adequate shirt but I gave them away to relatives. Doesnt mean there isnt something there for other people, it just means I didnt find them elegant and business like. I would prefer them to an off the rack shirt but they dont lend themselves to the type of person I am and like to present myself as. There cant only be one good shirt maker in the whole world, or don't you believe that?
CEGO: threw em out. Sorry, as much as I like CEGO, I wouldnt wear the shirts. Does that mean that he doesnt provide a useful service for others? Absolutely not, and he is easy to work with. There are different reasons people need things or want things. Your lifestyle, your profession, location. What if someone wants to get their toe wet with special order shirts? What if someone is on a budget?
I have no trouble trying to understand someone else's needs, what makes me curious is why I see several people always trying to proclaim the best or the one and only?
AK shirts: I have seen a lot of them but to list the question marks they have triggered I feel would cause a riot on here for political reasons and J doesnt deserve that. Obviously there are people who want to try his wares out and I say bully for them. America is a free speech, capitalist country and as long as I can say what I want, he can charge what the market will bear.
Paris shirts I find to be the most elegant and I have never had a problem with an order. I don't say that you never had a problem with an order but I do wonder about levels of communication. I have noticed some recent problems with Paris have really been communication problems. I say this because what you are saying seems to revolve around orders gotten wrong and not intrinsic problems with fit and construction. I have bumped into people in the custom world who seem to equate getting what they want with superior quality and getting say the wrong collar with poor quality. For people that have been taken by customer service niceties over those of the empirical product, you will understand what I mean.
My Paris shirts always fit me well throughout body changes. I always got great pattern matching, I never got plastic buttons and the shirts always fit me the way I like, moderately.
Paris shirts is always a little amused by any threads complaining about their shirts because they are over subscribed and their best advertising is word of mouth. They have thousands of satisfied customers and many of them are high end retail stores you would be surprised to know about. My point is that they don't have to run around the Net bullying people not to say a single negative thing about their shirts.
There are lots of Paris shirt photos on these links and at my forum folded, unfolded and worn by the shirt owners. Perhaps you can avail us of something similar for your favorite shirts?http://www.filmnoirbuff.com/article/is-paris-burninghttp://www.filmnoirbuff.com/article/...shirts-reprise
There always seems to be a story behind someone's disatisfaction with a maker that has little to do with the product. It's always good to enquire about someone's motives. While I am not and do not want to be a stylist, a consumer advocate, critic or an expert on men's fashion I do think I bring a unique depth of experience and voice to the table which is useful for the American office worker. I have tried several different makers and I like Paris. You dont have to like them because I like them. But, likewise, you dont have to find a reason why you dislike one to justify why you are going to another.