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post #46 of 74
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As I said before, the Loake 1880 ~£200 vs Vass ~£300 doesn't seem like such a huge saving. If I had considered Edward Green, which are substantially more expensive than Loakes, then I would entirely agree with you and I would definitely go for Loakes for my first few pairs. It's only the somewhat unique price/quality point of Vass (possibly related to the unusual economic development path taken by Hungary? but I am no expert on that) that makes them look too good to be true. A big reason I made this thread is that when something looks too good to be true it often is - but a lot of what's been posted seems to agree with my thoughts.

 

You're probably right that most people in the UK (and I guess most of the world)  can't tell the difference between Loakes and Vass, but still, I will be able to tell. Also I wouldn't be surprised if they noticed it on a sub-conscious level, without taking in the specifics of the shoe design and construction.

 

Get the Vass. It looks like you've done enough research and know what you're talking about. Check the K last, it looks quite good. You should also consider special orders as said before, they're about 600 euros which is rather attractive for MTO. I think Vass ships to Europe, but I don't know the prices.

post #47 of 74
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Originally Posted by Bill Dlwgosh View Post

Do you really consider AEs to be crappy? Are you speaking of the brand in general or just saying that you've grabbed some disappointing-'crappy' pairs of some particular style?

No, I don't consider them to be crappy. On relative terms to say Vass or EG, yes they are "crappy". However, in absolute terms relative to dress shoes overall they are nice. I own 5 pairs of AE so they can't be that crappy in my eyes. I'd just prefer to have 5 pairs of acceptable shoes rather than 1 pair of world class shoes
post #48 of 74
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Originally Posted by Patek14 View Post

No, I don't consider them to be crappy. On relative terms to say Vass or EG, yes they are "crappy". However, in absolute terms relative to dress shoes overall they are nice. I own 5 pairs of AE so they can't be that crappy in my eyes. I'd just prefer to have 5 pairs of acceptable shoes rather than 1 pair of world class shoes

I would agree that 5 pairs of good shoes is better than 1 pair of super shoes But we've established that Vass is ~1.5x AE or Loake, not 5x, so what's the point in carrying on about price?

Should come down to whether he can find a Vass last that works both aesthetically and fit-wise.
post #49 of 74
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Originally Posted by blackadder View Post

It's only the somewhat unique price/quality point of Vass (possibly related to the unusual economic development path taken by Hungary? but I am no expert on that) that makes them look too good to be true. A big reason I made this thread is that when something looks too good to be true it often is - but a lot of what's been posted seems to agree with my

Simple low-cost sourcing model. They make them in Romania where labor is even cheaper than in Hungary. Same idea as with Meermin LM hand welting in China. The knock against both, which is also consistent with extended and low-cost supply chains, is the quality control - although Vass seems loads better than LM.

Funny really. A lot of folks on this board get misty-eyed over anything hand welted because of its intrinsic superiority in terms of quality and heritage to GYW. But the companies that do it economically either cut corners, pay slave wages, or both to be competitive.
post #50 of 74
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Originally Posted by jssdc View Post

Simple low-cost sourcing model. They make them in Romania where labor is even cheaper than in Hungary.

Just with the added benefit that Romania is a member of the EU and hence they avoid duties and import fees. And while many people (incl. this forum) are unwilling to buy good made in China/Vietnam/Malaysia/Thailand, they do not have the same reservations against items Made in Romania despite this being a low-cost manufacturing place as well.
post #51 of 74
If you are young I would consider a semi brogue similar to the loake 1880 strand instead of the wingtip, since I find wing tips quite old looking.

On top of that if you have or will buy a navy suit and don't go to super formal events very often, the black cap roe could be skipped.
post #52 of 74

The Loake 1880s Strand shoes are beautiful - particularly in burgundy (which will go with pretty much anything). These would be a good pair to have to let the other two of your more formal shoes a rest. You can (obviously) rotate three pairs of shoes very easily.

 

When you buy your new shoes, don't forget to buy sets of shoe trees, one for each pair. Some of the best are made of cedarwood. If you are buying Vass shoes, you might want to buy trees that exactly fit your shoes. This will, of course, increase the amount of stuff you have to take home. Shoe trees sold near where you live will also be fine but do get them the right size. They should be a comfortable-to-close fit.

 

Always use a shoe horn.

 

Caring for your shoes, in terms of creams and polishes is another world entirely!  There are other threads on here that will share a whole range of arcane knowledge with you. 

post #53 of 74
VASS shoes come with lasted trees I believe, so no issues there...
post #54 of 74
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Originally Posted by jssdc View Post

I would agree that 5 pairs of good shoes is better than 1 pair of super shoes But we've established that Vass is ~1.5x AE or Loake, not 5x, so what's the point in carrying on about price?

Should come down to whether he can find a Vass last that works both aesthetically and fit-wise.

Somebody has established its 1.5x some brands for specific people living in specific countries...
post #55 of 74
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Originally Posted by Patek14 View Post

Somebody has established its 1.5x some brands for specific people living in specific countries...
Yeah, like for the OP, who is the one we are trying to advise.
post #56 of 74
It doesn't change the fact that you are telling the OP to buy several pairs of high end shoes when he is clearly fairly young, on a budget, and doesn't have appropriately scaled high-end attire for everything else. Yet again, SF groupthink advice makes no sense

PS - nobody actually posted objective evidence of a cheap price on vass for locals
post #57 of 74
Thread Starter 

http://www.vass-cipo.hu/Arlista/VassCipoArlistaEng.pdf

 

Here is the price list from their website. However, it is undated.

post #58 of 74

I don't see any evidence of 'groupthink' on here, Patek. Some people recommend that Blackadder goes out and buys the Vass shoes, others suggest caution and point him towards buying cheaper shoes, others suggest a mixture of Vass and other shoes.  

 

I am not sure that it has been established that Blackadders 'doesn't have appropriately scaled high-end attire for everything else', as you suggest. 

post #59 of 74
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Originally Posted by blackadder View Post
 

http://www.vass-cipo.hu/Arlista/VassCipoArlistaEng.pdf

 

Here is the price list from their website. However, it is undated.

You'll need to email Vass directly and they'll send you a price list in the currency of your country. You seem to be very set on Vass. Good luck & good choice! Whatever shoe you get, be happy.

post #60 of 74

We all can be surprised by what 'youngsters' can afford these days.. The main thing is, as long as they are happy to do so and wants to pony up the $$$, so be it. Whatever blackadder chooses, he is starting on the right path with proper shoes!

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