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post #706 of 767
What a crap season and finale. Everything sucked except for Roger ordring champagne for his mom.
post #707 of 767
I wonder if they would have cast Adebisi if they made it further into workplace integration.
post #708 of 767
I had the fortune of getting to rewatch the finale and while I disliked it less the second time around it was still incredibly frustrating. Back when I was on editorial and I had to edit stuff, I always had to ask young writers: "why did you add this line?" or "what purpose does this serve?" I kept asking those questions for so much of the show. Weiner wasted a ton of time. Maybe if it were a standard-length episode it would have been better focused, but almost everything could have been told more succinctly and dramatically than how it was presented.

Yes I'm about to repeat myself but our great payoff is that Don wrote a great ad. As lefty said: such wasted potential and as Bert Cooper said: who cares? If this show is that insular and that narrow-minded, then don't present it as some grand narrative arc of the 60s and the massive change to American society, it can't be both. Or, at the very least, have it pose some question, any questions really, about consumerism, identity, America, anything at all. But this show didn't.

While it was entertaining and I enjoyed large swaths of "Mad Men" it never really was about anything other than looking pretty with some excellent acting. That's well and good but not the stuff of greatness.
post #709 of 767
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I had the fortune of getting to rewatch the finale and while I disliked it less the second time around it was still incredibly frustrating. Back when I was on editorial and I had to edit stuff, I always had to ask young writers: "why did you add this line?" or "what purpose does this serve?" I kept asking those questions for so much of the show. Weiner wasted a ton of time. Maybe if it were a standard-length episode it would have been better focused, but almost everything could have been told more succinctly and dramatically than how it was presented.

Yes I'm about to repeat myself but our great payoff is that Don wrote a great ad. As lefty said: such wasted potential and as Bert Cooper said: who cares? If this show is that insular and that narrow-minded, then don't present it as some grand narrative arc of the 60s and the massive change to American society, it can't be both. Or, at the very least, have it pose some question, any questions really, about consumerism, identity, America, anything at all. But this show didn't.

While it was entertaining and I enjoyed large swaths of "Mad Men" it never really was about anything other than looking pretty with some excellent acting. That's well and good but not the stuff of greatness.

I thought it did that. Might not have given us the answers, but I do think it successfully provoked thought on these matters. I
Understand frustration with the finale (and as for the Coke ad - really, who does care?) but finales are unnatural. Unless we watch everybody die, any ending is somewhat arbitrary. It cuts us off when life clearly goes on with its ups and downs and uncertainty. In the end the show revealed itself as more a comedy than a tragedy/drama. The ending was the punchline to a sardonic joke. That's the show's/Weiner's philosophy there. Not everybody is going to agree with it.
post #710 of 767
I liked this last season a lot, but the finale was underwhelming. I don't think this show really needs a final chapter as such, since its always tried to capture the reality of change and life does go on. But at the same time, Mad Men has had some great season finales, and even as a season finale this is at the bottom of the pile. Both the Pete and the Peggy story-lines felt legit, but they were too rushed to feel powerful.

I didn't see the Coke thing at the end as some sort of sign that Don went back into advertising and killed it. I read it as an acknowledgement that all of this hippie self-realization stuff was just one more load of b.s. that promises you happiness for a moment before it doesn't.

It would be great if AMC could spring for the occasional special down the road to see how the seventies worked out for these people, (e,g, Draper XMAS 75) but I cant see that working out.
post #711 of 767
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I can see the, "Did Don go back and write the Coke commercial?" is going to be the same fodder as, "Did Tony get whacked?"
post #712 of 767
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I can see the, "Did Don go back and write the Coke commercial?" is going to be the same fodder as, "Did Tony get whacked?"
Too bad bc it seems really damned obvious he wrote it. Very little imagination required to follow them 2 enormous breadcrumbs.
post #713 of 767
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Too bad bc it seems really damned obvious he wrote it. Very little imagination required to follow them 2 enormous breadcrumbs.

Just look at this thread; it's already happening.
post #714 of 767
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Too bad bc it seems really damned obvious he wrote it. Very little imagination required to follow them 2 enormous breadcrumbs.

I think it was a joint effort (and I don't really care). Peggy did say "don't you want to come work for Coke" and everyone at the first creative meeting was drinking coke very obviously. Shit, even our overlords at Coke think he wrote it.
post #715 of 767
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Too bad bc it seems really damned obvious he wrote it. Very little imagination required to follow them 2 enormous breadcrumbs.
This. Way too many conversations linking Don to the Coke account for that ad to be just a random indictment of the "new religion"
post #716 of 767
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Joan has a weird body. It's bloated and mal-formed like a mutant dairy cow.

Anyone know where there are some mutant dairy farms around Chicago? Asking for a friend...
post #717 of 767
Don't forget that don fixed the coke machine at the hotel. He literally fixed coke.
post #718 of 767
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Don't forget that don fixed the coke machine at the hotel. He literally fixed coke.

He was asked to do it but I don't think he followed through.
post #719 of 767
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Don and Coke goes back years. I mean Hobard tried to get Don to McCann with Coke back in S1 by dangling a chance for Betty to model in Coke ads. As soon as Don turned them down Betty was out.
post #720 of 767
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Too bad bc it seems really damned obvious he wrote it. Very little imagination required to follow them 2 enormous breadcrumbs.

the imagery from the commune inspiring the imagery of the commercial, obviously....

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