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Now we're into ambiguous, IMO. I'm going to lean to the thought Don did change, as we've been beaten over the head relentlessly by Weiner for years that Don is incapable of change, and the last 20 minutes give us Don engaged in change. He obviously went back to NYC, as McCann had the Coke account, and we can assume a different Don was probably a better father and person.

Joan's ending...I had the feeling all along that guy was going to leave her but it looked like I might be wrong a couple of weeks ago. Turns out I was right in that aspect but wrong in thinking he was some sort of charlatan bilking women of money. Joan starting her own business with Peggy makes sense.
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off topic but did you guys see this: http://www.dga.org/Craft/DGAQ/All-Articles/1502-Spring-2015/Shot-to-Remember-The-Sopranos.aspx
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Peggy didn't go with Joan, Peggy stayed with McCann. Joan's agency is called Halloway-Harris.
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Peggy didn't go with Joan, Peggy stayed with McCann. Joan's agency is called Halloway-Harris.

I missed that. Where did that come up?

Btw, notice all the former partners are either dead or have left McCann...except Don who returns. (I'm assuming Roger left given he seems to have run off with Marie).
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I missed that. Where did that come up?

Btw, notice all the former partners are either dead or have left McCann...except Don who returns. (I'm assuming Roger left given he seems to have run off with Marie).

When she answered the phone. What happened to Ted?
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When she answered the phone. What happened to Ted?
Nobody cares about Ted..... I think we can assume he goes on being one of many cogs at McCann.
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When she answered the phone. What happened to Ted?

Thanks on the phone call. What Buda said but I actually wasn't thinking of Ted. I was thinking about the original crew (and Lane).
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You guys have more faith in Don's ability to change than I do. How many weepy epiphanies have we seen from him in just the last two episodes, only for him to end up where he was? How many before that? And if you buy that he goes right back to his old life in NYC and creates the Coke campaign ...
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You guys have more faith in Don's ability to change than I do. How many weepy epiphanies have we seen from him in just the last two episodes, only for him to end up where he was? How many before that? And if you buy that he goes right back to his old life in NYC and creates the Coke campaign ...

I totally buy it. McCann, in real life, actually put out that coke add several months after the Mad Men closing seen. One could say the entire series led up to Don preparing to do that add. The real life guy behind it was "Bill Backer." Bill Backer...Don Draper...
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You guys have more faith in Don's ability to change than I do. How many weepy epiphanies have we seen from him in just the last two episodes, only for him to end up where he was? How many before that? And if you buy that he goes right back to his old life in NYC and creates the Coke campaign ...

At least once a season (since I started) Don's cried about this or that or had a come-to-Jesus moment. All of them were red herrings that tried to be deep or meaningful character developments.
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Also all i gave a shit about wrapping up was bob benson. WHERE TH THE FUCK IS HE?

This is what the people want to know.
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I totally buy it. McCann, in real life, actually put out that coke add several months after the Mad Men closing seen. One could say the entire series led up to Don preparing to do that add.

I would hope that Don didn't create it because the entire payoff is that Don created a good ad. Yes it has meaning as you've posted about and it was one of the GOAT but... he did greatness with Kodak, already. And he was moved and transformed by that ad, too.
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You guys have more faith in Don's ability to change than I do. How many weepy epiphanies have we seen from him in just the last two episodes, only for him to end up where he was? How many before that? And if you buy that he goes right back to his old life in NYC and creates the Coke campaign ...

 

I liked the AV Club reading of this.

 

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As Mad Men has drawn to a close, a lot of attention has been returned to the show’s opening sequence, which depicts a man tumbling through the air, surrounded by ads that depict all of the happy people we’re supposed to be. One theory held that this animation presaged Don Draper’s inevitable end, in which he would vanish himself by leaping to his death—Peggy fears this scenario when she talks to him on the phone.

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But that theory neglected the way that the show’s opening sequence ends: A seated, still man gazing into the distance. This image is just as important to understanding the course of Mad Men’s main character. Yes, Don is the falling man, adrift in the simulacrum of idealized life that he helps create in the name of commerce. He is also the man who breaks out of the fall and surveys the world with newfound perspective.

It’s a cycle of renewal, and as Don listens to the meditation leader’s mantras on the topic of newness, he smiles because he’s coming to terms with that cycle. It’s Don’s lot to plunge deep into the fears that plague the American psyche, experiencing broad-based ennui on a personal level. Once he understands these essential anxieties, he infuses his advertising with hopes that counteract them. He markets these new dreams until they, too, reveal their inadequacies, and the cycle restarts. That’s why Don loves beginnings: Fantasies are believable in the beginning. Then they lose their sheen.

After the nuclear-family utopia of the ’50s failed to eliminate all of society’s ills, Don’s nostalgic ads promised that products would make the lost fantasy real. Now that the ’60s vision of perfect harmony has frayed, Don will once again convince a nationwide audience that consumer goods can make up the difference between the ideal and the reality. Coca-Cola will teach the world to sing.

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I would hope that Don didn't create it because the entire payoff is that Don created a good ad. Yes it has meaning as you've posted about and it was one of the GOAT but... he did greatness with Kodak, already. And he was moved and transformed by that ad, too.

That's one thing I like about it. It's so cynical but also kind of beautiful. Like the carousel ad, it's Don channeling his own suffering and emotional journey into the work. That's his culmination -- in the end, it's about the work. By returning to New York after Anna abandons him, his accepts his real identity. He may have started as Dick Whitman, but he ended up as Don Draper, ad exec.

One thing I enjoy about the inclusion of the Coke commercial is how perfect the timing was. Wonder how long MW had that planned.
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I was felt the construction of this entire last season was clumsy. You never quite knew where it was going and not in a good, suspenseful way. It was more WTF?? And if I hadn't been watching for a couple of years I would have turned it off.

I agree the scenes at the retreat- the group sessions, the hug, etc., - were awful. Again, clumsy. But, in retrospect I did like the ending with a grin and the Coke commercial which told me Don "was back", he had his idea, he couldn't help himself. He would to return to advertising, NYC, his family, etc. But, I wasn't even sure if I understood it at first. That took a while to sink in with me.
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One guy tweeted last night....


The best part of the finale is that we won't have to read any more Don Drapper Style" articles
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