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Originally Posted by flytothesky View Post


At or above Suit Supply level?

Lets get real here. Spier and Mackay is a bargain brand, there is a reason why they are priced at where they are. I applaud them for that but you getting what you pay for. A value suit that will do its job. Its good if you get them on sale. To compare it to Suit Supply is laughable.

They are good for what they are but lets not go too far here.

On a positive note their shirts are great for the price.

 

In my opinion, S&M is priced under market value for quality. I have no experience with their suiting or jackets, but I have many of their shirts.

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems that you are under the impression that SS has high quality fabrics and construction. I would say they are mid range, and probably the best you can do at that pricepoint in the US with minimal risk.

 

@Claghorn has multiple jackets from SS, as well as bespoke. I am certain he is well-qualified to assess the quality differential.

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Originally Posted by losrockets View Post
 


Please do explain where you see SS being significantly better in terms of quality. Given the fervor of your response I'm expecting to learn something new and shocking.


I have several Suitsupply suits and one S&M suit. I would say that the VBC 110 fabrics Suitsupply uses for suits like the Napoli compare slightly favorably to the 110 wool that S&M uses.  The S&M suit has slightly more structure than a Lazio, but it's comparable.  If you're looking for a workhorse staple, I'd say it's a toss up.  Suitsupply would get the slight edge in terms of preference for me.  The money you save with S&M perhaps make them a better value.  For workhorse suits I would say it's a toss up.  However, Suitsupply has literally 10 times the fabric choices and also comes in a variety cuts.  I like to wear suits, so mine are not all business suits.  I love that Suitsupply offers the Hudson, Havana, Madison, Jort, and Washington, in addition to their more standard business suits.  Regardless, I give S&M an A+ rating on what they're doing.  Hopefully they will soon expand and offer more casual suiting option.

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Originally Posted by Spex View Post
 


What are the collars like on these shirts like? Are they stiff and fused like the other dress shirts with spread collars, or is it unfused or lightly fused and softer?


I had a few MTM shirts commissioned with a soft cutaway collar (extreme spread they call it).  They did a good job with it.  Here is one of the shirts.

 

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Originally Posted by flytothesky View Post


At or above Suit Supply level?

Lets get real here. Spier and Mackay is a bargain brand, there is a reason why they are priced at where they are. I applaud them for that but you getting what you pay for. A value suit that will do its job. Its good if you get them on sale. To compare it to Suit Supply is laughable.

They are good for what they are but lets not go too far here.

On a positive note their shirts are great for the price.

Maybe your experience with SuitSupply fare is better than mine. I have two jackets and two suits. One of the jackets and one of the suits is noticeably poorer quality (especially with regards to the pants). One of the jackets seems to be equivalent. One of the suit jackets is better (but the stitching on the pants is again, shoddy). As I said, I only have one SM suit. Maybe I happened to get a good one, made on a Tuesday (or Wednesday...I can't remember on which day production quality is generally the highest).

 

But given what I've heard about SS, my four are pretty representative. Maybe you've been very lucky with SS quality? Or maybe I've been unlucky. Regardless, I'll probably buy from Suit Supply in the future. And I know I'll be buying from SM in the future.

 

Both are "bargain brands", and both are good value propositions (well, SS for the most part, and SM, I just have the one suit, tobacco wool-linen. I do have two pairs of pants that have held up well, though).

 

It should be noted that I've never owned a La Spalla or a Jort, which I understand are made with better fabrics and are better constructed. I have a Washington suit, a Washington jacket, a Hudson jacket, and a Lazio suit.

 

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Originally Posted by An Acute Style View Post

I'm not a fit expert, but the jacket looks outstanding IMO.  There's a bit of wrinkling in the back near the armpit/shoulder, but it looks like the jacket needs a pressing and that it will be fine afterwards.  Details on the suit.  Slim or Contemporary? 

Thanks, it's just strange not having to do a single alteration to the jacket. Typically I at least have to get the sleeves longer, was thinking I was missing something.

It's the contemporary
post #4446 of 6193
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Originally Posted by fieldofdreams View Post
 


I had a few MTM shirts commissioned with a soft cutaway collar (extreme spread they call it).  They did a good job with it.  Here is one of the shirts.

 

Sorry, I made a mistake quoting Claghorn in my original question. I wasn't asking about his dress shirt. All of my custom shirts from S&M are made with soft, unlined, unfused collars. I was actually asking about the OTR cotton-linen shirts. I was hoping that since it's a summer fabric, that the collars would be lightweight as well. Sorry for the confusion, folks.

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Originally Posted by flytothesky View Post

At or above Suit Supply level?

Lets get real here. Spier and Mackay is a bargain brand, there is a reason why they are priced at where they are. I applaud them for that but you getting what you pay for. A value suit that will do its job. Its good if you get them on sale. To compare it to Suit Supply is laughable.

They are good for what they are but lets not go too far here.

On a positive note their shirts are great for the price.

And SuitSupply isn't?

The only real material advantage of SuitSupply is that they offer more cuts and fabric options (that said, if you go custom with S&M, you have access to alot of fabrics as well).

Having handled Spier suits, I wasn't blown away by the fit or cut, but was impressed by the value it offered for a half canvassed suit.

The only recommendation I would make is that they offer 'soft' models (shoulder and canvassing).
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Eagerly waiting for cotton/linen and pinpoint Oxford...
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Agreed about the advantage SS has over SM in terms of variety and cut. But SM offers a more accessible MTM program (which actually can involve cutting an individual pattern), which sort of negates that advantage. Currently waiting on an MTM jacket from them.

In the meantime

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Does anyone have any thoughts on the shirt collar vs rib collar polos? One is stiff while the other soft? Thanks.
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After seeing the tobacco brown on @Claghorn and @losrockets I am tempted to buy it.  At under $250 USD it's a steal.  I really don't have the in the budget currently, unfortunately.  If it were up to me (if I wasn't married) I'd pull the trigger.  If it's still there next month, theres a good chance I may.

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Saw the cotton linens today. Nice stuff, spread collars.
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Oh my, I see the baby pink linen is online but no pics yet. That could be a hard one to resist.
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Originally Posted by dazedstate View Post

Does anyone have any thoughts on the shirt collar vs rib collar polos? One is stiff while the other soft? Thanks.

Dress collar is unfused and still soft. Ribbed would be like typical brooks brothers or other types of standard polos. I love the look of the dress collar polos. Plus the no ribbed sleeves makes them super easy to iron.
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Originally Posted by CanadaCal View Post

Saw the cotton linens today. Nice stuff, spread collars.

Damn, was hoping for button down but I guess that makes sense.
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Originally Posted by dazedstate View Post

Does anyone have any thoughts on the shirt collar vs rib collar polos? One is stiff while the other soft? Thanks.

Neither is stiff. The rib collar is more casual, lays more flat against the shirt, imagine a t-shirt where a collar is simply sewn to the neck. The shirt collar, while still soft and unlined, has a band attached between the neck and collar, allowing it to stand up slightly more than the rib collar. I prefer the shirt collar since i think it looks classier and a bit different, although they are not really all that rare. If you are planning on trying to pull off the "polo with a sportcoat look", then the shirt collar is really the only way to go. I may do this tomorrow with my linen jacket. If something could be done to the band to make the collar stand up even better, I'd be all for it, as I like the look of the collar standing up a bit more.

Speaking of collars, what type of dress shirt (spead/cutaway) collars does everyone here prefer, with respect to lining/fusing? I bought one shirt with a heavily fused full spread, and while it might look a bit more formal, its kind of hot and unfomfortable to wear (yes, i bought the right neck size). My Kamakura shirts are soft and unlined, but with the collar stays in they look just as formal and clean. If ironing becomes the issue, the I also have some other shirts with a super soft, but fused collar which is easy to iron. I would prefer the standard S&M collar to be softer, as it would be more comfortable, and allows you to wear it "stiff" with collar stays or soft and spretzy without. I like that versatility. Just one man's opinion.
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^ thanks dudes
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