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post #3781 of 6228
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Originally Posted by jbarwick View Post
 

Chipp upped the price on their Madder ties to $67.50 so Madder could be hard to pull off for S&M prices.  These are the SF approved options for the Panta x SF tie drop on Massdrop

 

 

It's worth remembering that it was determined that these were madder-like rather than actual madder.  David Hober contributed some useful information on that point in the original GMTO thread. 

 

Just for the record.

 

Cheers,

 

Ac

post #3782 of 6228
@Spex


Where?!

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post #3783 of 6228
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Originally Posted by Ebichuman View Post

@Spex


Where?!

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On Toronto Street. Just off King, (between Church and Yonge). I will literally be walking by there every day on my way to and from work. Dangerously convenient... 

post #3784 of 6228
Like the ancient madder suggestions. Would also be into repp stripe and block stripe. Any intention of doing longer/wide ties (say 60-62" and 3.5-2.75")? Either way, sounds exciting.
post #3785 of 6228

Anyone have photos of S&M ties and the knots they make? After doing heavy tie research, buying, and selling, of many SF-approved (and unapproved brands) I've found that the quality of the interlining is as important as the fabric itself in terms of discerning the quality of the tie. Chipp ties have a thick, coarse interlining which makes achieving a good knot that stays put somewhat difficult.

post #3786 of 6228

Well, he asked for "really great" suggestions. Ancient madder is really great. There are certainly others.

post #3787 of 6228

@spiermackay

 

Just thought I might chime in this (nice) discussion about tie fabric.

 

It has been mentioned that Rick would like to try and keep the price per tie relatively affordable. Thus, I think expecting S&M to produce ties similar to Drake's, Sam Hober, Vanda, Capelli, etc., is pretty irrealistic. Unless of course you guys were giving these tie makers as example of nice designs and fabric type, then of course I could understand as I like a nice ancient madder just as much as everyone else. 

 

But, and there's a but, to my knowledge (which is quite limited in this field, I agree) Chipp's ancient madder are the cheapest of the cheapest (in term of price) and still around 65-70$. Which could simply means that real ancient madder is a costly material to acquire. This could probably means that it would be hard for Rick to please us guys on SF requesting Drake's like ties at the 40-60$ mark. 

 

I know The Tie Bar is not a really respected (or appreciated) brand on here, but if Rick wants to put out some affordable ties with accessible fabrics, might as well give him examples of what we find nice that is accessible at relatively low price. 

 

There are a couple of ties on The Tie Bar that look nice and have decent fabric design. Mind you, we're strictly speaking about looks, not quality of fabric and construction.

 

Here are a few examples I like, and could be sourced, produced and offered by S&M at a fair price for their customers. Basic staple ties should include some kind of gun club check, like this or this, some type of POW checks like this one, a couple of printed medallion or ancient madder-like fabric, like this, this, this or this. Maybe a matte, dusty paisley like this one, for the amateur of the genre. Note that the former ties are mostly made of wool, and not silk. I guess a dusty, matte silk could work, provided it is absolutely not shiny. 

 

Then there's the usual summer ties in cotton (very small scale gingham, seersucker, etc.) and breezy linens in solids/no patterns. 

 

Only then, when the basics are covered for their walk-in clients buying a shirt and needing a cheap tie to pair with, they can go and source better, nicer fabrics and raising construction quality to provide better, more expensive ties for us nerds. Until then, I understand Rick's reservations about sourcing and producing expensive ties when, for the same money, people will usually just go and buy from our usual suppliers of such ties. 

 

Just my two cents.

 

EDIT* damnit, just rechecked my tex for typost and it appears all the links I provided redirect to The Tie Bar homepage. Heading to work now but will try to edit tomorrow morning when I leave the hospital. 


Edited by ShawnBC - 4/6/16 at 6:59am
post #3788 of 6228

Oh, just to clarify, for the Drake's ties that I posted, I wasn't expecting him to replicate their quality for a cheaper price. Just inspiration for what types of designs to implement for silk prints. 

post #3789 of 6228
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Originally Posted by ShawnBC View Post
 

@spiermackay

 

Just thought I might chime in this (nice) discussion about tie fabric.

 

It has been mentioned that Rick would like to try and keep the price per tie relatively affordable. Thus, I think expecting S&M to produce ties similar to Drake's, Sam Hober, Vanda, Capelli, etc., is pretty inimaginable. Unless of course you guys were giving these tie makers as example of nice designs and fabric type, then of course, I could understand, as I like a nice ancient madder just as much as everyone else. 

 

But, and there's a but, to my knowledge (which is quite limited in this field, I agree) Chipp's ancient madder are the cheapest of the cheapest (in term of price) and still around 65-70$. Which could simply means that real ancient madder is a costly material to acquire. This could probably means that it would be hard for Rick to please us guys on SF requesting Drake's like ties at the 40-60$ mark. 

 

I think one could pretty easily provided a drakes inspired tie at that price point. Sure you won't get the exact quality of material or made in England designation, but you could prob get 80% of the way there for a fraction of the price. 

 

I think what Drakes has done best lately though is textured ties. I think E. Marinella is the best inspiration for printed silk. 

post #3790 of 6228
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Originally Posted by Academic2 View Post
 

 

It's worth remembering that it was determined that these were madder-like rather than actual madder.  David Hober contributed some useful information on that point in the original GMTO thread. 

 

Just for the record.

 

Cheers,

 

Ac


Now that I reread what I posted, it was supposed to be a note on AM prices then some color examples but not meant to be madder only.  I will have to look into that thread though.

post #3791 of 6228
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Originally Posted by dappercanadian View Post
 

Oh, just to clarify, for the Drake's ties that I posted, I wasn't expecting him to replicate their quality for a cheaper price. Just inspiration for what types of designs to implement for silk prints. 


Same.

post #3792 of 6228
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Originally Posted by Spex View Post

BTW - does this mean the wait is almost over? biggrin.gif



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post #3793 of 6228
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Originally Posted by ShawnBC View Post

@spiermackay

 

Just thought I might chime in this (nice) discussion about tie fabric.

 

It has been mentioned that Rick would like to try and keep the price per tie relatively affordable. Thus, I think expecting S&M to produce ties similar to Drake's, Sam Hober, Vanda, Capelli, etc., is pretty irrealistic. Unless of course you guys were giving these tie makers as example of nice designs and fabric type, then of course I could understand as I like a nice ancient madder just as much as everyone else. 

 

But, and there's a but, to my knowledge (which is quite limited in this field, I agree) Chipp's ancient madder are the cheapest of the cheapest (in term of price) and still around 65-70$. Which could simply means that real ancient madder is a costly material to acquire. This could probably means that it would be hard for Rick to please us guys on SF requesting Drake's like ties at the 40-60$ mark. 

 

I know The Tie Bar is not a really respected (or appreciated) brand on here, but if Rick wants to put out some affordable ties with accessible fabrics, might as well give him examples of what we find nice that is accessible at relatively low price. 

 

There are a couple of ties on The Tie Bar that look nice and have decent fabric design. Mind you, we're strictly speaking about looks, not quality of fabric and construction.

 

Here are a few examples I like, and could be sourced, produced and offered by S&M at a fair price for their customers. Basic staple ties should include some kind of gun club check, like this or this, some type of POW checks like this one, a couple of printed medallion or ancient madder-like fabric, like this, this, this or this. Maybe a matte, dusty paisley like this one, for the amateur of the genre. Note that the former ties are mostly made of wool, and not silk. I guess a dusty, matte silk could work, provided it is absolutely not shiny. 

 

Then there's the usual summer ties in cotton (very small scale gingham, seersucker, etc.) and breezy linens in solids/no patterns. 

 

Only then, when the basics are covered for their walk-in clients buying a shirt and needing a cheap tie to pair with, they can go and source better, nicer fabrics and raising construction quality to provide better, more expensive ties for us nerds. Until then, I understand Rick's reservations about sourcing and producing expensive ties when, for the same money, people will usually just go and buy from our usual suppliers of such ties. 

 

Just my two cents.

 

EDIT* damnit, just rechecked my tex for typost and it appears all the links I provided redirect to The Tie Bar homepage. Heading to work now but will try to edit tomorrow morning when I leave the hospital. 


This I like from The Tie Bar:








Their linen solids are also worth a shot:


And their «grenafaux» line is a nice option for those unable to fork out the dollars to buy real grenadine:

Edited by ShawnBC - 4/6/16 at 7:53am
post #3794 of 6228
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Originally Posted by scatterbrain View Post

On Toronto Street. Just off King, (between Church and Yonge). I will literally be walking by there every day on my way to and from work. Dangerously convenient... 

Oh, this is fantastic. It's a nice little street and I happen to work a short hop over on Victoria Street.
post #3795 of 6228

 

Here's a chipp ancient madder that I got custom made from Paul (3.5'' at the widest). This was when it was price at $50. Even at $67.50, it's great. I am unsure if Rick can't match this quality at such a low price. 

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