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post #3661 of 6207
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Originally Posted by llamaone View Post

Really, you consider Berg and Berg ties a good deal? I just can't agree with that, when you can get a bespoke Sam Hober tie for the same price (or $5-$10 more depending on fabric) made to your exact specifications and with the best care, construction, and materials in the world. And there's more to a quality tie than the primary fabric; just as important is the quality of the interlining. Often, a cheap material is used in order to save money. But a high quality wool lining is essential for a good knot as well as the longevity of the tie and it's ability to retain it's shape and prevent wrinkling.

I agree with you in spirit, but the main attraction of a tie is the primary fabric. I'd rather buy a lesser quality tie in a fabric I love than a higher quality tie in a fabric that's just ok. For a solid grenadine tie, Sam is the way to go. Berg has some really gorgeous neats that I'd pick over several Hober ties though.
post #3662 of 6207
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Originally Posted by An Acute Style View Post

I agree with you in spirit, but the main attraction of a tie is the primary fabric. I'd rather buy a lesser quality tie in a fabric I love than a higher quality tie in a fabric that's just ok. For a solid grenadine tie, Sam is the way to go. Berg has some really gorgeous neats that I'd pick over several Hober ties though.

Absolutely. I didn't mean to downplay the outter, primary fabric. Of course it's important! No point in buying a high quality tie if it's ugly and you'll never wear it. smile.gif

I do agree that Berg & Berg has some nice designs. However, I don't consider them a good "value" at their price point and I don't care for the 8cm width.
post #3663 of 6207
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Originally Posted by llamaone View Post


Absolutely. I didn't mean to downplay the outter, primary fabric. Of course it's important! No point in buying a high quality tie if it's ugly and you'll never wear it. smile.gif

I do agree that Berg & Berg has some nice designs. However, I don't consider them a good "value" at their price point and I don't care for the 8cm width.


You've made your opinion of Berg and Berg pretty clear.  We get it.  I was just trying to suggest that S&M offer some similar ties to B&B, but at a better price.  I wasn't looking for an argument.

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Originally Posted by fieldofdreams View Post


You've made your opinion of Berg and Berg pretty clear.  We get it.  I was just trying to suggest that S&M offer some similar ties to B&B, but at a better price.  I wasn't looking for an argument.

Uh, what? Who's arguing? confused.gif

I said I liked their designs. Was just curious as to your reasoning behind considering them a "very good price", that's all. No worries if you don't want to justify or discuss further. I've no dog in this fight. B&B designs at a better price would be cool, agreed.

And now back to your regularly scheduled programming...
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Edited by bigv4 - 4/5/16 at 11:38pm
post #3666 of 6207
I like a lot of B&B designs/fabrics. But after owning three, and hearing about QC/CS issues, as well as issues with construction, I gotta say that they aren't worth it at full price.
post #3667 of 6207
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Originally Posted by Claghorn View Post

I like a lot of B&B designs/fabrics. But after owning three, and hearing about QC/CS issues, as well as issues with construction, I gotta say that they aren't worth it at full price.

What was wrong with your three?
post #3668 of 6207
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Originally Posted by fieldofdreams View Post
 

I'll chime in on the tie issue.  I know you guys are a value/cost leader.  I think even if you kept the price point at $60 USD per tie, people would still consider that a steal if you had good fabrics.  Berg and Berg uses really nice fabric and keeps the price at about $75 USD, which many consider to be a very good price (myself included).  If you could use similar fabrics at even $10 cheaper per tie, that would be excellent.

 

Here is the challenge for our brand. We're in Canada and still 80% of our sales are in Canada. A $60 - $70 USD tie is about $80 - $90 CAD, which is pretty much way higher than what our base of customers will pay, with the exceptions of a few.

 

As we grow the brand, we're slowly introducing premium products. The first will be the the eventual rollout of the Full Canvas in Guabello cloth, then followed by premium shirting from Mills like Thomas Mason, Monti, Canclini OTR. Once we establish a solid customer pool that has the appetite for premium product is when we can roll out the premium ties. For most guys, honestly, ties are an afterthought sadly. More of "I need a tie to wear with this shirt" mentality, is when they pick up a tie, and they will not pay a premium for that.

post #3669 of 6207
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Ont the topic of the Uni Stripe OCBD, some were expecting them to be available in March. Initially, we had cloth from a supplier ready to go, but then we started getting the feedback on our new OCBD cloth, which we developed exclusively for our use, compared to the cloth that was simply picked up as stocks.

 

The new fabric is a much, much higher quality and we realized that the OCBD program was quickly becoming an anchor product for us. In that regards, we decided we have to keep the quality consistent. The older cloth had some issues of shrinking irregularly and in some cases with stripes bleeding of colour and availability was very spotty.

 

Because of this, we cancelled the cloth we were going to use and opted to run our own cloth, the brushed oxford. Cloth typically takes 60 days to Mill and then 30 days to produce the garments. This is the reason we have pushed the Uni Stripes back. We have to deliver the best product and experience possible to our customers, and the older cloth was not cutting it.

 

Hope that explains the delay in the Uni Stripe Oxfords.

 

Rick.

post #3670 of 6207
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Originally Posted by spiermackay View Post

Here is the challenge for our brand. We're in Canada and still 80% of our sales are in Canada. A $60 - $70 USD tie is about $80 - $90 CAD, which is pretty much way higher than what our base of customers will pay, with the exceptions of a few.

As we grow the brand, we're slowly introducing premium products. The first will be the the eventual rollout of the Full Canvas in Guabello cloth, then followed by premium shirting from Mills like Thomas Mason, Monti, Canclini OTR. Once we establish a solid customer pool that has the appetite for premium product is when we can roll out the premium ties. For most guys, honestly, ties are an afterthought sadly. More of "I need a tie to wear with this shirt" mentality, is when they pick up a tie, and they will not pay a premium for that.
Thanks for the explanation. Without knowing anything about anything, I wonder if mill lineage and other aspects of expensive cloth makes much of a difference with ties, as ties see very different wear than suits and shirts see. To me, a tie should be an understated point of interest, something like a hidden book in a garden or an unexpected reading corner tucked away in a house. It must blend in to the whole scene, and yet upon closer inspection reveal new depths of interest. The texture of cloth on a tie is to me, therefore, of the upmost importance. I wonder, then, if there are interesting cloths that can be had for less. An interesting cloth in the proper price range can stand its own without premium interlineings and other price upping factors.
post #3671 of 6207
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Originally Posted by spiermackay View Post
 

Ont the topic of the Uni Stripe OCBD, some were expecting them to be available in March. Initially, we had cloth from a supplier ready to go, but then we started getting the feedback on our new OCBD cloth, which we developed exclusively for our use, compared to the cloth that was simply picked up as stocks.

 

The new fabric is a much, much higher quality and we realized that the OCBD program was quickly becoming an anchor product for us. In that regards, we decided we have to keep the quality consistent. The older cloth had some issues of shrinking irregularly and in some cases with stripes bleeding of colour and availability was very spotty.

 

Because of this, we cancelled the cloth we were going to use and opted to run our own cloth, the brushed oxford. Cloth typically takes 60 days to Mill and then 30 days to produce the garments. This is the reason we have pushed the Uni Stripes back. We have to deliver the best product and experience possible to our customers, and the older cloth was not cutting it.

 

Hope that explains the delay in the Uni Stripe Oxfords.

 

Rick.

 

Happy to hear this decision, the new fabric you developed is really great and will be buying more for sure when they arrive. If we can continue to get more seasonal color options through the year you will continue to get my money haha.

post #3672 of 6207
So when is the ETA for the stripes? I don't mind waiting if the product will be superior.

AS for ties. I'd be willing to pay $80 for a tie MAX.

I have a tie from David Fin at around that price and the quality is good. But that is the max I would pay for a tie.
post #3673 of 6207
I'm glad SM brought up the tie explanation.

We all realize that SF wants the best materials for the $, and rightfully so.

I personally would rather see the inventory dollars tied up with the great new shirting creations, and expanding the suits/jackets/trousers.

Keep some ties mainly as an accessory sale for bricks and mortar customers.

There is a lot of tie companies out there and tie deals to be had on the secondary market.

But there isn't a lot of people who make as good of a shirt as you, OTR or MTM for the $.
post #3674 of 6207
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Originally Posted by CanadaCal View Post

I'm glad SM brought up the tie explanation.

We all realize that SF wants the best materials for the $, and rightfully so.

I personally would rather see the inventory dollars tied up with the great new shirting creations, and expanding the suits/jackets/trousers.

Keep some ties mainly as an accessory sale for bricks and mortar customers.

There is a lot of tie companies out there and tie deals to be had on the secondary market.


But there isn't a lot of people who make as good of a shirt as you, OTR or MTM for the $.

 

This.

 

Ties can be sourced from many places in many different price brackets, from 15$ The Tie Bar's to 150$+ Drake's. Competition is rough.

 

But, high quality shirts and suits/jackets, in Canada, that are in line with current SF stylistic choices, are pretty rare. That's why I like SM and have high hopes for their future!

post #3675 of 6207
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Originally Posted by spiermackay View Post

 

 

anyone made either of these up yet?

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