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post #1411 of 2796

Yep ! Cardy, BD, Mac, V.neck, 3b jacket/suits, Longwings, Loafers, Smooths, Crombies, Sta-prest, FP, just to name a few. Can't go wrong with that !

post #1412 of 2796
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Yeah good points Couseau.
As a very young boy in the late sixties / early seventies I don't have very clear memories of skinheads, mostly wrangler jeans and jackets and doc martens, and into the seventies they kept the look but grew their hair out and were known as 'boot boys', but for a brief moment I remember the suedehead look which I thought was class - mini-mullet / Bowie spike with Ben Sherman gingham shirt, crombie, red spotted hanky, two-tone sta-pressts, red socks and chunky brogues. It didn't last long but it's a look that I reckon could be worn at any age.

Agree with you there except for the red socks,

post #1413 of 2796
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Interesting discussion - see my responses IN CAPS BELOW
 
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I had to Google Scomadi ( I am in no way a scooter fan / rider / expert ) it looks ok,the same retro styling as Jag,Fiat,VW,Triumpph etc have done putting modern mechanics into a recognisable bodywork.
My point though is that original 60s Mods chose scooters because they had protection from the weather for their expensive clothes,if that's the case surely a modern Mod would choose a BMW C1 ?,a modern Mod wouldn't worry about retro styling ( IMO).

FAIR COMMENT. I THINK THE SIXTIES MODS ENDED UP ON SCOOTERS AS THEY WERE AFFORDABLE AND A BETTER ALTERNATIVE TO MOTORBIKES. I REMEMBER A QUOTE FROM SOMEONE BACK THEN WHO SAID MODS WERE ASPIRATIONAL AND THEY RODE SCOOTERS BUT REALLY WANTED AN E-TYPE JAG, SO TODAY'S MOD (WITH MONEY) WOULD ASPIRE TO SOMETHING EQUALLY SLEEK AND EXOTIC. F-TYPE? FERRARI?

 

I remember reading that Pete Townshend always made out he was interested in scooters just to keep up the 'mod image' when they had such an image but actually he later admitted he really wanted a large 'Yank tank' like a Cadillac or Chevvy all along!

post #1414 of 2796
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Originally Posted by Thin White Duke View Post

Interesting discussion - see my responses IN CAPS BELOW
FAIR POINT BUT I THOUGHT THE WHOLE THEME OF THIS THREAD WAS 'WHICH ITEMS FROM THE SIXTIES MOD LOOK CAN BE WORN NOW?' AND/OR 'WHAT ITEMS DO WE WEAR NOW WHICH WERE INSPIRED BY OR EVOLVED FROM THE ORIGINAL MOD LOOK?', (SUCH AS LEATHER DESSIES!) I ALSO AGREE THAT CERTAIN ITEMS, SUCH AS A LOUD BOUTING JACKET, DO SCREAM 'I AM A MOD', BUT THE VAST MAJORITY OF MY WARDROBE IS SO MUCH MORE SUBTLE AND SITS WELL WITHIN YOUR COMMENT ABOUT LOOKING STYLISH BUT STILL UNDER THE RADAR, WHICH I BELIEVE WAS PROBABLY A REMIT OF THE ORIGINAL SIXTIES MODS TOO.

AND FINALLY, I PROMISE I'M NOT STARTING A BEEF AS I ENJOY THE DISCUSSION, BUT I HAVE TO ASK, ON A THREAD THE THEME OF WHICH (I THOUGHT) WAS ABOUT THE EVOLUTION OF MOD STYLE, YOU SAY YOURE NOT INTERESTED IN SCOOTERS, NOR MUSIC, AND DIDNT KNOW MODS WORE BOATING JACKETS ... ERRRRR ... WHAT IS YOUR INTEREST HERE?biggrin.gif


I don't think that that is the WHOLE point of the thread,there is more to it than which original items can be worn now.

Personally I try to limit myself to one or maybe two items that would have been worn back in the day,maybe brogues and a Harrington,but  I wouldn't wear a BD or an FP with them as it would be dangerously near to re-enactment ( again IMO).

 

Going back to scooters for a moment,I think that Mods rode them as they were quite a radical modern design (at the time),they got away from the traditional motorbike look,the leg shields and running boards protected their clothes,they could ride them at 16 with L plates,they could get them on HP...did they want a car ? I doubt it,wouldnt have suited their image..I always thought that the Isetta ( bubble car) would have been perfect for Mod,if they had driven them I wonder if anyone would be looking for a retro copy now ?.

 

I did realise that Mods wore striped blazers briefly in the 60s,they seemed to wear a lot that was garish and attention grabbing,but when I mentioned Jazz people wearing them I meant present day.

 

Always been about the clothes and shoes for me,thats why I suggested that Mr Knightley start this thread,about moving 'the Look' on to the present day,I aspired to be a Suedehead in the early 70s and although I don't claim to have been one ( to young) the style stuck with me and is a sort of starting point for me.

I never had any interest in music and I still haven't,the radio goes off when I get in the car,and the only thing that I would change about my early life is that I wouldn't have gone to so many nights out in clubs with my mates,I would have saved the money and gone to more away games.

As for scooters I bought an old Vespa when I was at school and soon realised that a car was better in most ways ( for me) so that's the way I went,also not interested in the scooter scene,rallies etc,saw one at the I-o-W in the 90s lots of blokes in check shirts and short jeans...not for me.

post #1415 of 2796
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Originally Posted by Thin White Duke View Post


Yeah good points Couseau.
As a very young boy in the late sixties / early seventies I don't have very clear memories of skinheads, mostly wrangler jeans and jackets and doc martens, and into the seventies they kept the look but grew their hair out and were known as 'boot boys', but for a brief moment I remember the suedehead look which I thought was class - mini-mullet / Bowie spike with Ben Sherman gingham shirt, crombie, red spotted hanky, two-tone sta-pressts, red socks and chunky brogues. It didn't last long but it's a look that I reckon could be worn at any age.


I wore most of what you mention here,but besides brogues and maybe a Crombie I wouldn't wear any of the rest now,two tone sta prest on a bloke in his 50s ? not good ( again IMO ).

post #1416 of 2796
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Yep ! Cardy, BD, Mac, V.neck, 3b jacket/suits, Longwings, Loafers, Smooths, Crombies, Sta-prest, FP, just to name a few. Can't go wrong with that !

Leave sta prest out and I agree Clouseau,just not to many of the list worn at the same time for me.

I am still thinking about Mr Knightleys statement about 3 button jackets,maybe I am warming to the 2 button, after 40 years !.

post #1417 of 2796
Don't do it!biggrin.gif

For me the three button jacket is sacrosanct and a key part of 'the look'. Just did a quick count and from 21 suits and 31 jackets only my dinner suit is not three button. A few were bought as two-button and converted.

As a kid in the seventies I associated two button suits with Richard Nixon - square, shapeless, baggy, wide lapels etc. and even though that's clearly not always the case that image remains with me. The first thing I look at when a well-dressed fella or mannequin catches my eye is if ithe jacket has three buttons, and I'm mentally deducting points if it doesn't!
post #1418 of 2796

2 button jackets.

I had my first one in 72/73 cant be definite,it was after the Suedehead look evaporated here.

The lapels seemed quite low after the 3 button look and they were quite wide (although they got wider in later years ) the jacket was dark brown and I remembered something strange today,a few people were pulling the collars of their shirts over the jacket lapel ( ala Saturday Night fever but a few years before that) I used to wear a black FP with red and white piping and I wore that in the same way ( I must have had the top FP button undone).

Thinking back it must have looked ridiculous but nobody ever said that to me and believe me people were only to pleased to give negative comments out then,also thinking about it I don't remember anyone else wearing FP polos here then,I also bought an FP black v neck jumper.

 

Anyway back to 2 button jackets,over the years the lapels have got narrower and on some jackets the lapel doesn't come down so low as they used to.

Earlier this year I bought a blue herringbone Harris tweed 2 button jacket,I think that if it was a 3 button it would look to archaic,like a 70s geography teacher perhaps.

 

I know that you said that you never wear knitwear under a suit jacket,but I would have worn a black v neck under my charcoal suit to a funeral that I attended in February ( churches always seem cold places to me) I think it would have looked ok with a white shirt and black tie.

I would also wear a navy v neck under the blue herringbone jacket with a light blue BD... and believe it or not I am not trying to disagree with everything that you say !

 

In conclusion I think that there are 2 button jackets that I like but the width and depth of the lapels have got to be in proportion,not to wide and not coming down to deep.

 

Of course it all comes down to personal preference in the end.

 

Just to add that I remember Clint Eastwood wearing 2 button jackets in the earl Dirty Harry films with wide lapels,i think that is one reason the films became dated quite quickly,I also remember him wearing a burgundy v neck under a sports coat,didn't look bad IMO.

post #1419 of 2796
I think number of buttons follows from the overall silhouette. Two buttons on a shouldered and waisted English silhouette works just as three buttons works on a more straight up and down American/continental silhouette. Worn both over the years and both seem to work, in their own way, for me.
post #1420 of 2796
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I think number of buttons follows from the overall silhouette. Two buttons on a shouldered and waisted English silhouette works just as three buttons works on a more straight up and down American/continental silhouette. Worn both over the years and both seem to work, in their own way, for me.


Not keen on the 3 button style that you describe,a bit to 'boxy' for me,the 3 buttons in Adam of London look better because they are waisted IMO,but I have gone off of the high lapels its a bit to old fashioned now.

post #1421 of 2796
Thread Starter 

Good debate lately and just the sort of thing I envisaged when we kicked off the thread. 

 

I lived through the period from 1967 - 72 as a 14 - 19 year-old.  I recall having my first MTM suit commissioned in 1967 and specifying three buttons.  My dad who was funding the project was not impressed as most men from his generation then wore two.

 

Until 1970 all my suits and jackets would be three button. By 1971 and the coming of what has been termed 'the French Cut', all fashionable suits / jackets became tighter fitting, lapels got wider and buttons reduced  to two.  By then three buttons began to look very dated.  John Simons was a kind of barometer and when he started supplying this new look there was no option!

 

The trick was not to follow the High Street where everything was cheap and exaggerated.  There were still tasteful options available.  I must also admit though to wearing my collars outside the lapel.  Well, if Kojak could do it... 

 

Interestingly we have three of our own posters entering the Friday Challenge this week:

http://www.styleforum.net/t/510382/friday-challenge-october-23rd-suede-ness

 

You will note Cleav's fit  has at least one nod to the Look with his Chelsea boots, Thin White Duke won't mind my saying his outfit is pretty true to the 1960s Look and my own really only makes a passing reference with Clarks Original dessies.  For me the Look remains a useful blueprint.  But I don't feel bound to it - perhaps my loss?

post #1422 of 2796
I like the restriction of it Mr K. I still look a bit of a skinhead when dressed casual but so what. Saw a few when I was out and about today, avoided them as normal but got noticed. Googling what they might be up to I found a post saying

The Spirit of '69 - keeping 'trad skins' happy since 1987

and had to lol in agreement.
post #1423 of 2796
Latest purchase, and letting a logo back into my life, a Slazenger jumper



Just like back then (not me but I had one too)

post #1424 of 2796
Thread Starter 
The FC poll is now up
post #1425 of 2796
Well out of the Country outfits yours looks more like the sort of outfit I see on blokes who seem to have lived in them for years - typically grey tweed jacket, white poplin non-buttondown shirt, grey or navy worsted trousers, maybe even a navy business tie, black brogues. Far from the Styleforum Classic Menswear orthodoxy of windowpane jackets, tattersall shirts, brown brogues, flannels and a furry tie. Well those blokes are only the real thing after all.
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