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Originally Posted by Mr Knightley View Post
 


Be OK under some knitwear!  Is it MiE?


Made in China !..yes it is ok under the cardigan that I bought but I find the regular size better.

I noticed another problem,the FP label is sewn to high up on the collar and shows slightly when the shirt is worn,quite difficult to remove as well due to how they have sewn it in.

The navy FP that I bought earlier in the year leeched dye when I washed in very cool water for the first time,the darker shirts have a built in obsolescence as they fade so much,probably better to avoid black or navy altogether.

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Thread Starter 

The Look in Autumn.

 

http://www.styleforum.net/t/510213/sw-d-pumpkin-spice-challenge-october-18-nov-1

 

This interesting challenge elsewhere on SF reminded me that the Look I grew up with was a bit season-less.  You put on a Crombie or sheepie over your year-round clothes.

 

So how do we embrace the need to reflect the seasons in our clothing today while still attempting to retain a clean, sharp style?

post #1398 of 2758
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Originally Posted by Mr Knightley View Post

This interesting challenge elsewhere on SF reminded me that the Look I grew up with was a bit season-less.  You put on a Crombie or sheepie over your year-round clothes.

So how do we embrace the need to reflect the seasons in our clothing today while still attempting to retain a clean, sharp style?

That whole orange, rust, burnt sienna, blah blah colouring thing seems very alien to me, like a perversion of 'Country'. Is it American or something made up fairly recently? Maybe something transferred in from womens fashion? Looks like a weird camouflage so how about all-white when it snows lol. Just shut up and consume!

A maroon jumper is about my limit. Imagine that over my surviving pink, mauve and grey polo shirts (need to wear these out before I get new ones). Some nice (but limited) clashing yes. Think I want to be the 80s @McDermott
Edited by covskin - 10/19/15 at 6:16am
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Yeah I think this seasonal clothing thing is a bleed over from women's fashion - remember the remit of all clothes retailers is to get us to spend our money, and declaring certain items passé due to being 'last season' is just one way to keep the retail wheel rolling.

Highs are in the high 80s with lows in the mid sixties here in Florida right now, so I only have to worry about seasonal change when I leave the state, which is absolutely fine with me. Many of the SF elite love the autumn so they can break out layers, scarfs, gloves, overcoats etc. but that's not for me. Knitwear under a suit reminds me of nerdy Cyril Figgis off 'Archer'. I think a large part of 'The Look' was the aspiration to dress like you lived on the French or Italian riviera wearing lightweight bright coloured clobber as a way to stick your fingers up at the austere post-war black and white conservatism. Moving to a hot and sunny climate allows me to play out that fantasy. I have a lot of stuff (white linen suit, pincord jacket, loud chinos etc) that I wouldn't dream of wearing if I came back to live in the cold wet north east.
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Originally Posted by Thin White Duke View Post

In a rush of blood to the head I ended up acquiring four boating blazers over time. I was working towards my PhD and pictured myself wearing them to lecture on casual Fridays and if anyone thought it weird they could chalk it off to me being the eccentric professor from England (I live in America!).
My career took me in another direction and so they rarely see the light of day. The loudest I have is purple and black broad stripes with white narrow stripes. Make me an offer of you're interested! I also have green and black with a red line and navy with double sky blue stripes.


This is to big a coincidence for me not to comment on.

I have seen many academics in the past 10 years doing the eccentric professor thing,usually a waxed moustache and straw boater,or Edwardian type clothes with spats etc etc.

Last week I walked past a new one with a Panama hat,some facial fungus and a cane with a silver (coloured )knob,and I wondered how much thought these characters must put into their not very original ( when you have seen a few dozen) 'eccentric' outfits.

Surely a true eccentric doesn't need to put so much thought into their dress or behaviour they just ARE eccentric,I was wondering if there is an online shop called 'Eccentric professors are us' where they can buy their gimmicky clothes and tache wax.

Then days later you put this post up showing how contrived the whole thing is,thanks for proving what I have long thought.

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Errr ... You're welcome ... I think!

I assure you no facial fungus was ever contemplated. It's more a situation like you know a loud boating jacket is a huge statement piece, so you have to wonder where you can 'get away' with it where it has a chance to be in context. Of course you could argue that if you have the balls to buy a loud jacket then you should have the balls to wear it wherever you want and bollocks to the world, but a component of style is context and when I have four loud jackets in the cupboard and not a great deal of context in which they are situationally appropriate, slightly eccentric professor sounded good enough to me. Since my career took me away from academia, I was the best dressed geezer at the restaurant on Friday!biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by covskin View Post


That whole orange, rust, burnt sienna, blah blah colouring thing seems very alien to me, like a perversion of 'Country'. Is it American or something made up fairly recently? Maybe something transferred in from womens fashion? Looks like a weird camouflage so how about all-white when it snows lol. Just shut up and consume!

A maroon jumper is about my limit. Imagine that over my surviving pink, mauve and grey polo shirts (need to wear these out before I get new ones). Some nice (but limited) clashing yes. Think I want to be the 80s @McDermott

I remembered this post today when we went to Bath and had a look in the Orvis shop.

The GF picked up the October catalogue and it is full of clothes in those 'autumn' ( or fall for our American contingent) colours.

Some cotton / merino mix BD shirts in muted checks,and a couple of corduroy BDs amongst other items.

 

I also wonder whether this is originally an American thing ? you also mention camouflage,could it be that hunters wore different colour clothes to blend in as the leaves changed colour ?..nothing to do with 'the Look' but still interesting.

 

I tried on the Orvis Harrington,good quality but I wasn't quite sure,the GF liked it but I want something a bit slimmer cut ( the medium was to tight) and at £149 I think that I may look at a navy Baracutta instead.

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I had a conversation online a while back with PressureDrop from the Mod to Suedehead thread we have known each other since the 70s but only occasionally see each other at football now.

Anyway in the conversation he asked the question if skinheads had never existed in the 60s/70s and only came about now what would they wear ?,he suggested Timberland boots and contemporary clothing as the clothes worn back in the day were bang up to date then...

 

Thin White Dukes picture wearing boating blazer and FP etc made me think about the conversation again,to be honest I didn't think that much of the late 70s mod revival,it seemed a contradiction to me,the word Mod and revival just don't work...its like fat free lard or healthy cigarettes.

 

Last weekend I was out running and I noticed a lot of scooter riders,maybe there was a meet up or a party I don't know but the blokes were all in their 50s / 60s wearing Mod type clothes and riding Vespas and Lambrettas...but something didn't look right to me...thinking about it later I realised that the riders were to big for the scooters,I guess 'back in the day' teenagers didn't go above 11 stone on average ? these blokes were 14 or 15 stone probably and they dwarfed the scooters.

 

Anyway adding all this together I am thinking that if a new 'Mod' movement happened now it wouldn't be any sort of 'revival' it would be modern,maybe they would ride those big scooters or  the ones with a roof ?.

Would they take anything from the past ? suits yes but 3 button suits are maybe to archaic now ?,there are certainly better alternatives for coats whilst riding your scooter than the fish tail parka now.

 

Again nothing to do with 'the Look' really apart from how things move on or might move on.

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I think context was all. Post-war greyness, conformity, a mass working class - easy to stick out against such a background with a bit of colour and a few details. Together with the general post-war optimism that seemed to be around it was a very different place. So my answer is nothing, if modern mods and skinheads could exist then we would see them.
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Originally Posted by covskin View Post

I think context was all. Post-war greyness, conformity, a mass working class - easy to stick out against such a background with a bit of colour and a few details. Together with the general post-war optimism that seemed to be around it was a very different place. So my answer is nothing, if modern mods and skinheads could exist then we would see them.


I think that you are probably right,they were of their time,thats why the Mod revival and the present day reenactors didn't / don't work IMO.

Just like the 'Casuals' that I see at football now seem wrong,either 40 / 50 year old blokes wearing similar to the clothes they wore then ( to old) or the younger brigade who wear those clothes ( to late)...IMO.

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It's an interesting discussion but not sure I'm in full agreement.
For one thing the line between original Mods and the seventies revival became a bit blurred IMO - I mentioned this on my blog that me and others in my set got caught up in the revival as fans of The Jam so clearly we were originally poster boys for revivalist Mods, but a few of us who were more committed got hold of the 'Mods!' book and became much more influenced by items from the sixties style than in the poor quality high street stuff that was knocked out by high street clothes chains to cash in. That mostly remains the case for me.
As for now, whilst I cheerfully admit to owning a few 'revivalist / identikit'-type items (as shown in the boating jacket pic which anyone is free to like or dislike) I stand by the manifesto I've mentioned many times which is that Mod style gives you a framework to look cool, stylish and appropriate within a very broad selection of contexts from the beach to the boardroom and that is no less true - if done well of course - for those of us who are now aged in their late forties and early fifties. I'm not impressed by pics of Ian Page with his receding hairline, slack jaw and his bulbous gut squeezed into a polo shirt and ill fitting suit, but for those of us who have stayed in decent shape (and been lucky in the gene pool regarding barnet!) there's no reason why Mod style can't continue to be a great framework to ensure you are looking good.
As for fatties on scooters ... it may be a fair comment, I never see them over here. My impression from the revival years (and on evidence of photos from the sixties) is that very few Mods had the money for great clothes AND a tricked out scooter so a choice had to be made and those who leaned towards dirty nails and gear ratios were never gonna be the style setters when it came to the Saturday night disco. As a non scooter owner I obviously leaned the other way.
It may be pertinent to note that I'm seriously interested in getting a Scomadi if they are ever made available over here. I reckon owning a vintage - styled scooter with up to date mechanics is an avatar for my attitude towards style, which is a reverence for the sixties look but wearable in today's world.
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I had to Google Scomadi ( I am in no way a scooter fan / rider / expert ) it looks ok,the same retro styling as Jag,Fiat,VW,Triumpph etc have done putting modern mechanics into a recognisable bodywork.

My point though is that original 60s Mods chose scooters because they had protection from the weather for their expensive clothes,if that's the case surely a modern Mod would choose a BMW C1 ?,a modern Mod wouldn't worry about retro styling ( IMO).

 

I had to Google Ian Page as I hadn't heard of him,I see that he is musician and I have never had much interest in music so I cant really comment on that.

 

I don't think its just about keeping in shape though,everyone gets old,Mod,Suedehead etc were teen styles not for middle aged blokes however fit and trim they keep themselves,I think that's one of the criteria on this thread 'age appropriate'.

 

I see people wearing boating blazers occasionally,I thought that it was something to do with people who are into Jazz music,but if someone likes them and want to wear them then good on them.

 

We have discussed on this thread before which clothes or shoes from 'back in the day' we would wear now,you say that "Mod style gives you a framework" and I agree up to a point,however I think where 'the Look' differs is that it is slightly understated,under the radar if you like,not making a statement  like "I am still a Mod".

Also 'the Look' isn't solely retro,it can use some modern items,for instance in my interpretation of 'the Look' I wear leather chukka boots not everyones cup of tea but an alternative to plain shoes and quite smart ( IMO).

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Originally Posted by Thin White Duke View Post

It's an interesting discussion but not sure I'm in full agreement.
For one thing the line between original Mods and the seventies revival became a bit blurred IMO - I mentioned this on my blog that me and others in my set got caught up in the revival as fans of The Jam so clearly we were originally poster boys for revivalist Mods, but a few of us who were more committed got hold of the 'Mods!' book and became much more influenced by items from the sixties style than in the poor quality high street stuff that was knocked out by high street clothes chains to cash in. That mostly remains the case for me.
As for now, whilst I cheerfully admit to owning a few 'revivalist / identikit'-type items (as shown in the boating jacket pic which anyone is free to like or dislike) I stand by the manifesto I've mentioned many times which is that Mod style gives you a framework to look cool, stylish and appropriate within a very broad selection of contexts from the beach to the boardroom and that is no less true - if done well of course - for those of us who are now aged in their late forties and early fifties. I'm not impressed by pics of Ian Page with his receding hairline, slack jaw and his bulbous gut squeezed into a polo shirt and ill fitting suit, but for those of us who have stayed in decent shape (and been lucky in the gene pool regarding barnet!) there's no reason why Mod style can't continue to be a great framework to ensure you are looking good. (End of quote)

Funnily enough, if you replace 'mod' by 'skinhead' in your text it sounds as true, except for the boating blazer of couse. Ask some posters on the mod to suedehead thread, and they will confirm you that they turned from scruffy 80s skins to smart dressers, but still within the Traditional look. And no problem at all if you miss barnet !

Skinhead style gives you a framework too. Neat, smart, and even versatile if you avoid the too caricatural items (exactly as mod style, better avoid the parka with the big target don't you think?)
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Interesting discussion - see my responses IN CAPS BELOW
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I had to Google Scomadi ( I am in no way a scooter fan / rider / expert ) it looks ok,the same retro styling as Jag,Fiat,VW,Triumpph etc have done putting modern mechanics into a recognisable bodywork.
My point though is that original 60s Mods chose scooters because they had protection from the weather for their expensive clothes,if that's the case surely a modern Mod would choose a BMW C1 ?,a modern Mod wouldn't worry about retro styling ( IMO).

FAIR COMMENT. I THINK THE SIXTIES MODS ENDED UP ON SCOOTERS AS THEY WERE AFFORDABLE AND A BETTER ALTERNATIVE TO MOTORBIKES. I REMEMBER A QUOTE FROM SOMEONE BACK THEN WHO SAID MODS WERE ASPIRATIONAL AND THEY RODE SCOOTERS BUT REALLY WANTED AN E-TYPE JAG, SO TODAY'S MOD (WITH MONEY) WOULD ASPIRE TO SOMETHING EQUALLY SLEEK AND EXOTIC. F-TYPE? FERRARI?

I had to Google Ian Page as I hadn't heard of him,I see that he is musician and I have never had much interest in music so I cant really comment on that.

HE WAS THE MOUTHPIECE OF THE REVIVAL AND LEAD SINGER WITH THE MOST OBVIOUS REVIVAL BAND SECRET AFFAIR. GOOD LOOKIMG LAD WHO HAD SOME NICE THREADS BUT AGE/BOOZE HASNT BEEN KIND TO HIM AND HE LOOKS A BIT SAD NOW, WHICH MAY BE MAKING YOUR NEXT POINT, BUT ...

I don't think its just about keeping in shape though,everyone gets old,Mod,Suedehead etc were teen styles not for middle aged blokes however fit and trim they keep themselves,I think that's one of the criteria on this thread 'age appropriate'.

YEAH BUT MY POINT IS THAT WHAT ATTRACTS ME TO / KEEPS ME INTERESTED IN THE MOD STYLE AFTER ALL THESE YEARS IS THAT IT CAN EASILY BE AGE APPROPRIATE FOR MIDDLE AGED BLOKES AS WELL AS TEENAGERS WITHOUT EITHER HAVING TO LOOK OUT OF PLACE.

I see people wearing boating blazers occasionally,I thought that it was something to do with people who are into Jazz music,but if someone likes them and want to wear them then good on them.

ORIGINALLY WORN IN THE TWENTIES BUT SEEN OFTEN ENOUGH IN SIXTIES PHOTOS AND THEN RE-REVIVED BY MODS OF THE REVIVALIST ERA.

We have discussed on this thread before which clothes or shoes from 'back in the day' we would wear now,you say that "Mod style gives you a framework" and I agree up to a point,however I think where 'the Look' differs is that it is slightly understated,under the radar if you like,not making a statement  like "I am still a Mod".
Also 'the Look' isn't solely retro,it can use some modern items,for instance in my interpretation of 'the Look' I wear leather chukka boots not everyones cup of tea but an alternative to plain shoes and quite smart ( IMO).

FAIR POINT BUT I THOUGHT THE WHOLE THEME OF THIS THREAD WAS 'WHICH ITEMS FROM THE SIXTIES MOD LOOK CAN BE WORN NOW?' AND/OR 'WHAT ITEMS DO WE WEAR NOW WHICH WERE INSPIRED BY OR EVOLVED FROM THE ORIGINAL MOD LOOK?', (SUCH AS LEATHER DESSIES!) I ALSO AGREE THAT CERTAIN ITEMS, SUCH AS A LOUD BOUTING JACKET, DO SCREAM 'I AM A MOD', BUT THE VAST MAJORITY OF MY WARDROBE IS SO MUCH MORE SUBTLE AND SITS WELL WITHIN YOUR COMMENT ABOUT LOOKING STYLISH BUT STILL UNDER THE RADAR, WHICH I BELIEVE WAS PROBABLY A REMIT OF THE ORIGINAL SIXTIES MODS TOO.

AND FINALLY, I PROMISE I'M NOT STARTING A BEEF AS I ENJOY THE DISCUSSION, BUT I HAVE TO ASK, ON A THREAD THE THEME OF WHICH (I THOUGHT) WAS ABOUT THE EVOLUTION OF MOD STYLE, YOU SAY YOURE NOT INTERESTED IN SCOOTERS, NOR MUSIC, AND DIDNT KNOW MODS WORE BOATING JACKETS ... ERRRRR ... WHAT IS YOUR INTEREST HERE?biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by Clouseau View Post


Funnily enough, if you replace 'mod' by 'skinhead' in your text it sounds as true, except for the boating blazer of couse. Ask some posters on the mod to suedehead thread, and they will confirm you that they turned from scruffy 80s skins to smart dressers, but still within the Traditional look. And no problem at all if you miss barnet !

Skinhead style gives you a framework too. Neat, smart, and even versatile if you avoid the too caricatural items (exactly as mod style, better avoid the parka with the big target don't you think?)

Yeah good points Couseau.
As a very young boy in the late sixties / early seventies I don't have very clear memories of skinheads, mostly wrangler jeans and jackets and doc martens, and into the seventies they kept the look but grew their hair out and were known as 'boot boys', but for a brief moment I remember the suedehead look which I thought was class - mini-mullet / Bowie spike with Ben Sherman gingham shirt, crombie, red spotted hanky, two-tone sta-pressts, red socks and chunky brogues. It didn't last long but it's a look that I reckon could be worn at any age.
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