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post #136 of 672
Cern, the South Africa connection to C & J was a sold license to a SA firm to make shoes with the C & J name. Income generating to keep the business alive, it may be said. All done many years ago.

You may see a couple of pairs every now and again come up on Flea bay and they are easily identifiable as not real C & J
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Cern, the South Africa connection to C & J was a sold license to a SA firm to make shoes with the C & J name. Income generating to keep the business alive, it may be said. All done many years ago.

You may see a couple of pairs every now and again come up on Flea bay and they are easily identifiable as not real C & J

Cleav. Yes I understand the reason with C&J,theres reasons with the others too,its called business I suppose but it means that we have to do research into the products that we buy to make sure that what we are getting is the real McCoy.

To be fair to Loake their made in India shoes are priced a lot lower than their made in England shoes.

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Cern, the likelihood of coming across a rogue pair of C&Js in minimal. Only likely when searching on Flea bay and would take no research at all they look wrong all day.
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Cleav. Yes I understand the reason with C&J,theres reasons with the others too,its called business I suppose but it means that we have to do research into the products that we buy to make sure that what we are getting is the real McCoy.

To be fair to Loake their made in India shoes are priced a lot lower than their made in England shoes.

And the Loake made in India shoes are usually clearly marked to that effect.  I was looking yesterday at different Loake offerings including Loake x Jasper Conran (made in India) at £150 approx. and a few of the 1880 range from £205 - 250.  In terms of leather quality and  finishing my eyes could detect little difference.  In a way the Jasper Conran ones were more desirable, due to their more interesting designs, despite the made in India 'stigma'.

 

Going back to the Sawa sneakers their philosophy (if you buy it) is that they make a positive choice to have theirs made in Africa for all the reasons stated on their website - rather than simply to reduce production costs.

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Cleav. Yes I understand the reason with C&J,theres reasons with the others too,its called business I suppose but it means that we have to do research into the products that we buy to make sure that what we are getting is the real McCoy.

These days all you need to operate a brand is a laptop, an amex card and a letter of credit facility. Any bricks and mortar were sold and leased back then demolished a long time ago. Ethics are gone.
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These days all you need to operate a brand is a laptop, an amex card and a letter of credit facility. Any bricks and mortar were sold and leased back then demolished a long time ago. Ethics are gone.

I guess some of you will be familiar with the book 'NOLOGO'.  I remember in particular a piece about Ralph Lauren in which the author asserts he doesn't actually make anything.  He buys things made by other people which are branded for him so he can sell that whole RL lifestyle to us - a lifestyle modelled on a utopia that doesn't of course exist anywhere.  But it remains very attractive to me in a way.....

 

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I guess some of you will be familiar with the book 'NOLOGO'.  I remember in particular a piece about Ralph Lauren in which the author asserts he doesn't actually make anything.  He buys things made by other people which are branded for him so he can sell that whole RL lifestyle to us - a lifestyle modelled on a utopia that doesn't of course exist anywhere.  But it remains very attractive to me in a way.....

I have been thinking about this subject today,I think that covskin is correct ethics are gone,the people owning the prestigious brands just want to make money,it is us who care about the heritage,history craftsmanship etc,they are using our interest to make money.

 

Someone I know was telling me this week that Ralph Lauren have a range purposely made for outlets,if that is true maybe other manufacturers also do that.

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I have been thinking about this subject today,I think that covskin is correct ethics are gone,the people owning the prestigious brands just want to make money,it is us who care about the heritage,history craftsmanship etc,they are using our interest to make money.

 

Someone I know was telling me this week that Ralph Lauren have a range purposely made for outlets,if that is true maybe other manufacturers also do that.

I am sure that point about RL and outlets is right.  If you look at the polos for example, in his official stores they are generally 'custom fit' where the ones in the outlets (like TK Maxx) are normally 'classic fit' and / or in very odd colours.  There are far too many of them just to be end of range or whatever.

 

I was reading the other day that Ann Demeulemeester, one of the 'Antwerp Six' and I believe still highly regarded, has sold the house that bears her own name to focus on 'other interests'.....

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And the Loake made in India shoes are usually clearly marked to that effect.  I was looking yesterday at different Loake offerings including Loake x Jasper Conran (made in India) at £150 approx. and a few of the 1880 range from £205 - 250.  In terms of leather quality and  finishing my eyes could detect little difference.  In a way the Jasper Conran ones were more desirable, due to their more interesting designs, despite the made in India 'stigma'.

 

Going back to the Sawa sneakers their philosophy (if you buy it) is that they make a positive choice to have theirs made in Africa for all the reasons stated on their website - rather than simply to reduce production costs.

I think that some of the Loakes sold in Charles Clinkard and Debenhams are made in India,they are not as well made as the 1880 range,if states made in India and the price reflects that I dont think its a problem,its the crafty subterfuge of putting England ( as opposed to Made in England ) and other tricks to make you believe that the item is made here that I object to.

 

On another subject,I wonder if a lot of us look for items that are hard to find in our areas / countries so that we have a bit of exclusivity in our personal look ?, does an Englishman want US made clothes or shoes as he is less likely to see someone else wearing the same ?,is there the same appeal to an American about certain British makes ?.

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I have been thinking about this subject today,I think that covskin is correct ethics are gone,the people owning the prestigious brands just want to make money,it is us who care about the heritage,history craftsmanship etc,they are using our interest to make money.

 

Someone I know was telling me this week that Ralph Lauren have a range purposely made for outlets,if that is true maybe other manufacturers also do that.


Ralph Lauren, Coach, Banana Republic, J Crew, Levi's, The Gap, Ben Sherman, Fred Perry, and probably every other brand make products specifically for outlets or 'value channels'. Very few outlets these days use the 'flush model' (where end-of-line items are collected from the stores and transported to the outlets) - the price point doesn't justify the cost of transportation. It's easier to just mark down everything to 75% off at the end of the season and clear it out. They use cheaper materials and cheaper factories, the price tags are marked with a fake MSRP and most people don't notice and think they're getting a bargain.

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Ralph Lauren, Coach, Banana Republic, J Crew, Levi's, The Gap, Ben Sherman, Fred Perry, and probably every other brand make products specifically for outlets or 'value channels'. Very few outlets these days use the 'flush model' (where end-of-line items are collected from the stores and transported to the outlets) - the price point doesn't justify the cost of transportation. It's easier to just mark down everything to 75% off at the end of the season and clear it out. They use cheaper materials and cheaper factories, the price tags are marked with a fake MSRP and most people don't notice and think they're getting a bargain.

I wonder if its worth compiling a list of firms that still manufacture their goods in their country of origin ( or at least are honest about where they do make it ),and also still make a quality product ?.

Afraid that I have become so cynical that I believe that - 1,it would be a very short list -2,even those manufacturer would eventually outsource to increase profits.

 

I honestly think that we have got what we have got,and that we have to make the best of it,or we would just give up and think why bother its all cr@p.

 

Thanks for that information on the outlet products,its worth knowing that when I am looking at 3 shirts for £x and working out how much I am saving,now I know the answers nothing.

post #148 of 672

I know that most people on this thread probably want to look as smart / stylish as they can at all times ( well I don't actually know that,its more an inspired guess ).

However I wonder if I am in a minority when I say that in my lifestyle "casual" clothes are now worn much more and the opportunities to wear formal clothes are much less than in previous years ?.

I don't mean that I want too slob down,but the much derided term "smart casual" for want of a better label seems to apply to my thinking when I am looking at clothes and shoes recently.

post #149 of 672
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Yes, never off duty is my motto, cerneabbas. And it is increasingly difficult in this very casual world for someone of my generation to feel well dressed.

I am often reminded of a cartoon by H M Bateman called 'The Cad who was improperly dressed on the Lido'. I guess the 1920s were for many who considered themselves stylish just as trying as this present age. The Cad in question is depicted as very well dressed in blazer and white ducks topped off with a boater but all around him are in beachwear. So, no longer good enough to be well dressed - you must be undressed !



Ironically the man in the blazer probably feels it is somehow unseemly to go about in beachwear for fear of attracting unwanted attention. But the joke is on him.
post #150 of 672

Mr Knightley.I think that its worse when the sun comes out like today,I had to go shopping and all the lardies were there in shorts and flip flops ,I do think that you can dress casually and still be stylish.

 

One good bit of news that I would like to share,is that I found a website for Choice clothing earlier today,they have a sale and several styles of Barbour jacket are 50% off ( not the Sedgewick unfortunately),so you could save £100 on some models.

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