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post #16 of 23
These days onboard video is fine for basically everything except really high def video, or ultra high end games.

I'm using built in graphics for my 1080p HTPC. Built in audio, as well, so as to keep it smaller and less power hungry.

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Originally Posted by Tokyo Slim View Post
Search for the NVIDIA Tesla and Quadro Plex series.

Incorrect, not a graphics card. It's a compact real time render farm meant to be rack mounted in supercomputer and graphics rendering systems.

It's not a consumer level item in any sense of the word. You'd have to have a Tyan motherboard, or something like an SGI or HP workstation.

The current highest end consumeresque video card is the Quadro series.
post #17 of 23
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Originally Posted by MCsommerreid View Post
These days onboard video is fine for basically everything except really high def video, or ultra high end games.

I'm using built in graphics for my 1080p HTPC. Built in audio, as well, so as to keep it smaller and less power hungry.



Incorrect, not a graphics card. It's a compact real time render farm meant to be rack mounted in supercomputer and graphics rendering systems.

It's not a consumer level item in any sense of the word. You'd have to have a Tyan motherboard, or something like an SGI or HP workstation.

The current highest end consumeresque video card is the Quadro series.

Quadro isn't consumer-oriented either. It's for CAD & stuff with features adapated for that kind of work. GeForce 8800 ultra is the best gaming card.
post #18 of 23
You all have severe reading disabilities. Why are you arguing with me about something I NEVER SAID?
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And TS, I can't believe you're bringing Tesla in to this. He's talking consumer graphics cards and your bring-up HPC? That's like someone asking for computer suggestions and me bringing up HP blade servers. Those aren't even really intended for graphics work btw. They're intended to leverage the scalability and massive processing power of GPUs for certain types of calculations that they do much more effeciently than general purpose CPUs. And I was aware of the upcoming external solutions for NOTEBOOK graphics, which have always been crippled by size and thermal constraints, but I don't see it happening in PCs for quite some time, if ever. He's building a PC. Current PSUs have plenty of wattage for hungry graphics cards.
I brought up TESLA because it is an standalone box, with multiple GPU's and a power supply in it that is hooked up to a PCI-E adapter card. I KNOW WHAT IT"S FOR, I posted the damn link. You seem to be missing my point. You seem to be missing it on purpose so that you can argue with me. NVIDIA knows what the threshold is for cooling and power usage is inside a computer case. I'm saying that they are thinking of moving outside the computer case in the near future because given power usage models of popular PC setups, they know they have a pretty limited amount of time before they surpass it. Not to mention all the benefits that a standalone GPU box will give you. I pointed out an example of what the future of graphics cards might look like, using TESLA and Quadro as examples of CURRENT multi-core GPU's tethered together in a standalone unit.
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And nobody that wants a smaller pc is going to go that route and then add an external box for graphics. Chances are, if their priorities are smaller and quieter, they won't be looking at the super high-end of GPU line-ups, which will always be big and hot.
Oh yeah? So what about people who have a laptop as their home computer, Or people who like small form factor, small mid towers or HTPC form factor cases where the addition of a relatively small external case which could probably be easily hidden? I know I want a better graphics card for my HTPC.
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Originally Posted by MCsommerreid View Post
Incorrect, not a graphics card. It's a compact real time render farm meant to be rack mounted in supercomputer and graphics rendering systems. It's not a consumer level item in any sense of the word. You'd have to have a Tyan motherboard, or something like an SGI or HP workstation.
Actually, you need Windows XP Home/Pro/64/ or linux or Solaris, A P4/Xeon or Opteron or higher, 2GB of RAM, and a PCI express slot. Thats it. No other fanciness required. And its fully capable of high level 3D gaming. It is optimized for 3D texturing, mapping, and shading, has up to 64x antialiasing, has advanced OpenGL/DX9 architecture, and incedentally is pretty damn quiet.
post #19 of 23
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Originally Posted by Tokyo Slim View Post
Actually, you need Windows XP Home/Pro/64/ or linux or Solaris, A P4/Xeon or Opteron or higher, 2GB of RAM, and a PCI express slot. Thats it. No other fanciness required.

And its fully capable of high level 3D gaming. It is optimized for 3D texturing, mapping, and shading, has up to 64x antialiasing, has advanced OpenGL/DX9 architecture, and incedentally is pretty damn quiet.

It requires a certified system for technical support, and for the software to properly work. At least, thats what their releases say.

Plus, the damn thing starts at $17,000. It's slo DirectX 9 and OpenGL 2; the current releases are 10 and 2.1, so its a generation behind.

I'd rather take a Quad-SLI 8800 system, than a Quadro Plex, any day of the week.
post #20 of 23
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It requires a certified system for technical support, and for the software to properly work. At least, thats what their releases say.

Bah... If you had $24k to drop on a Quadro Plex VCS IV to use as a gaming engine, and the $700 for the certified Dell workstation (BTW, hahaha) one would assume that you would have your own tech support staff onhand for your Battlefield 2 lan party.

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Plus, the damn thing starts at $17,000. It's slo DirectX 9 and OpenGL 2; the current releases are 10 and 2.1, so its a generation behind.

Bah, DX10 will take at least a year to fully integrate into everyone's life. By that time there will probably be a quad/quad/quad/quad core DX10 standalone.

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I'd rather take a Quad-SLI 8800 system, than a Quadro Plex, any day of the week.

Well yeah, but given infinite resources, I'd daisy chain a few Quadro Plex's onto a Cray and I'd run Windows Vista on it just to see how many processes it would suck up as a matter of course. Then I'd play Tetris.
post #21 of 23
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Well yeah, but given infinite resources, I'd daisy chain a few Quadro Plex's onto a Cray and I'd run Windows Vista on it just to see how many processes it would suck up as a matter of course. Then I'd play Tetris.

I got the perfect game for you: asteroids, Commodore 64 style.
post #22 of 23
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Originally Posted by GQgeek View Post
Quadro isn't consumer-oriented either. It's for CAD & stuff with features adapated for that kind of work. GeForce 8800 ultra is the best gaming card.

True, but the Quadro is at least consumer accessible. I know a few people who use Quadro's as their gaming cards, back when the consumer grade units weren't nearly as good.

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Bah... If you had $24k to drop on a Quadro Plex VCS IV to use as a gaming engine, and the $700 for the certified Dell workstation (BTW, hahaha) one would assume that you would have your own tech support staff onhand for your Battlefield 2 lan party.

While running it on your WHUXGA compatible display system, of course.
post #23 of 23
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While running it on your WHUXGA compatible display system, of course.

Mmmm ...7680x4800 goodness.

J would love that.
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