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FYI I talked to an AE store recently and they told me they can do a custom order of any shoe in brown/color 8/black shell with any sole.

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FYI I talked to an AE store recently and they told me they can do a custom order of any shoe in brown/color 8/black shell with any sole.
Did they quote you a price? i.e., $650 or $775?
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Did they quote you a price? i.e., $650 or $775?

Didn't get that far- are you talking about shoes or boots? I'd need to decide that first

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Didn't get that far- are you talking about shoes or boots? I'd need to decide that first
I mean, with no upcharge, as in the halcyon days of yore (and the trunk shows), or with a $125 MTO surcharge applied to leather changes currently (or $40 for a sole change)?
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FYI I talked to an AE store recently and they told me they can do a custom order of any shoe in brown/color 8/black shell with any sole.

 

I'd be interested in knowing the rep and store... my SA threw a bunch of cold water on this when I asked him today.  He wasn't sure, so he forwarded it up the management chain and was told there wasn't anything like that available...

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I think the longer they go without an MTO program, the more they like life without an MTO program. There's a reason why companies like CJ and Carmina charge a 50% premium and other companies like Alden don't do them at all. I would be surprised if AE brought anything permanent back at this point, and there are other brands who will make anything you want with higher quality construction and finishing for not too much more.

AE is great at what they do, but the era of the MTO is over for them.
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Natty MTO Dundees!



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...there are other brands who will make anything you want with higher quality construction and finishing for not too much more.

Unfortunately, most of them are overseas. You can get custom stitchdown boots from Truman or Pacific Northwest companies, and custom handsewns and Blake/rapid shoes from Rancourt, but with AE out of the picture there's no American manufacturer of custom makeup, Goodyear welted dress & casual shoes. It's a big void and it depresses me.
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Unfortunately, most of them are overseas. You can get custom stitchdown boots from Truman or Pacific Northwest companies, and custom handsewns and Blake/rapid shoes from Rancourt, but with AE out of the picture there's no American manufacturer of custom makeup, Goodyear welted dress & casual shoes. It's a big void and it depresses me.


In fact, I don't know of any Goodyear welt factories that are set up for affordable MTOs. Enzo Bonafe and Vass are both very very small family operations that use hand welted and hand stitched construction. I've not tried Rancourt yet.

 

I think that if you're a big enough operation to own a fleet of GY stitching machines, you're probably set up as a mass production assembly line that needs to maximize efficiencies. It's funny that we blast AE for discontinuing their MTOs, but Alden got rid of theirs years ago, and we've all adapted to the current paradigm.

 

AE's $395 MSRP plus $125 markup (assuming the MTO program comes back), is not that much less than getting a Bonafe MTO through Skoak or a Vass MTO from the Budapest store. But sizing is the x-factor, of course. Once you've really bought into a particular brand's sizing convention, it's hard to leave the nest, so to speak...

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Originally Posted by peppercorn78 View Post

I think the longer they go without an MTO program, the more they like life without an MTO program. There's a reason why companies like CJ and Carmina charge a 50% premium and other companies like Alden don't do them at all. I would be surprised if AE brought anything permanent back at this point, and there are other brands who will make anything you want with higher quality construction and finishing for not too much more.

AE is great at what they do, but the era of the MTO is over for them.

 

Great....why dont you come over and tell my 5 year old Santa is a fake too....:happy:

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AE's $395 MSRP plus $125 markup (assuming the MTO program comes back), is not that much less than getting a Bonafe MTO through Skoak or a Vass MTO from the Budapest store. But sizing is the x-factor, of course. Once you've really bought into a particular brand's sizing convention, it's hard to leave the nest, so to speak...

 

That knowledge of fitment has a cost... I agree with your principle though, once the knowledge is there (though knowledge of Carmina/Bonafe/Vass is comparatively more expensive than knowledge of AE to those in CONUS) the decision becomes more complicated.

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I agree with that, for sure. The Carmina chukkas in my sig are a casualty of trial and error. But actually my success rate with overseas guesstimating is a respectable 5/6 with different brands/last's from European makers. With Alden, for example, I'm currently 0/3 LOL. Although I'm pretty confident that an incoming LWB will FINALLY nail it...
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Originally Posted by peppercorn78 View Post

AE's $395 MSRP plus $125 markup (assuming the MTO program comes back), is not that much less than getting a Bonafe MTO through Skoak or a Vass MTO from the Budapest store. But sizing is the x-factor, of course. Once you've really bought into a particular brand's sizing convention, it's hard to leave the nest, so to speak...

That and the aforementioned brands don't even bother with narrow feet. Skoak told me straight up that they don't think Enzo has anything that would work for me.
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Originally Posted by peppercorn78 View Post

I think the longer they go without an MTO program, the more they like life without an MTO program. There's a reason why companies like CJ and Carmina charge a 50% premium and other companies like Alden don't do them at all. I would be surprised if AE brought anything permanent back at this point, and there are other brands who will make anything you want with higher quality construction and finishing for not too much more.

AE is great at what they do, but the era of the MTO is over for them.

Probably true. But once some of us find an MTO company in our price range, with shoes that fit well, that look good.... there will be no going back to AE. I get that it's not their business model and they'll do better with the Nordstorm crowd. And the MTO contingent is likely too small. I would argue that MTOs could be a tremendous growth area if somebody would make it easier for us. I believe you could get a lot of hard-to-fit people over 30 to invest in at least one pair of customer shoes if the process were simpler, better communicated, and appeared to be less risky. 


Edited by Dario65 - 3/12/16 at 3:17pm
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Originally Posted by lemmy127 View Post

That and the aforementioned brands don't even bother with narrow feet. Skoak told me straight up that they don't think Enzo has anything that would work for me.

True, Enzo doesn't really cater to narrow or wide feet (only the 946 last is available in H width), but Vass certainly will. I believe all of their last's are available in 4 or 5 widths). And both brands offer very affordable customized last (bespoke lite) options if you happen to be traveling to Bologna or Budapest.
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