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Brown She'll Daltons. Supposed to be 12 E more like a D plus. Also not thrilled with the reddish brown. I already have these in burgundy shell and this shade of brown doesn't match my brown shell belt. Every brown shell I get from AE is a different color. For 750 I expect more. I like them but don't love them like the 12 E burgundy pair that fits and is a "true" color.

 

Those look more like the "Deep Dark Brown" shell from the trunk show than the normal AE "Brown" shell (Horween Dark Cognac).

 

Paul's quote from the recent AMA about shell colors could explain a shift to the darker brown, or, to a darker brown:

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QUESTION:
Hi Paul - any word on extra shell colors? Also, how about a shoe in the new hornback leather you're using for belts right now? Or shark?

 

ANSWER:

New shell cordovan colors are tough. Because of the complexity of the cordovan dying/waxing process, getting colors to be consistent is a real challenge for Skip, Nick and team. Since there's such a shortage of cordovan leather, they'd rather make surefire winners than have trouble getting a light brown just right to our specifications. That's why they like to do darker shades and why we haven't done another round of walnut. I doubt the shortage will ever really alleviate. Like all leathers, cordovan is a by product of other uses of the animals. There are fewer and fewer needs for horses all the time, especially horse meat. And the demand continues to grow. So, I think the safer route of dark colors will be with us indefinitely. Shark is always a possibility. I haven't thought about hornback -- interesting question.

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 @Burzan 's pics are beautiful.  And thanks for the snow blotched before pictures.  This weekend, my same-brown shell Long Branches will get similar treatment, earned through hearty usage.

The new MTO / custom program should easily shave costs and improve efficiencies across the project from order to build.  And that bodes well for an occasional run of lighter shell.  Eventually.  

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Paul's quote from the recent AMA about shell colors could explain a shift to the darker brown, or, to a darker brown:






QUESTION:

Hi Paul - any word on extra shell colors? Also, how about a shoe in the new hornback leather you're using for belts right now? Or shark?



 



ANSWER:



New shell cordovan colors are tough. Because of the complexity of the cordovan dying/waxing process, getting colors to be consistent is a real challenge for Skip, Nick and team. Since there's such a shortage of cordovan leather, they'd rather make surefire winners than have trouble getting a light brown just right to our specifications. That's why they like to do darker shades and why we haven't done another round of walnut. I doubt the shortage will ever really alleviate. Like all leathers, cordovan is a by product of other uses of the animals. There are fewer and fewer needs for horses all the time, especially horse meat. And the demand continues to grow. So, I think the safer route of dark colors will be with us indefinitely. Shark is always a possibility. I haven't thought about hornback -- interesting question.










 @Burzan
 's pics are beautiful.  And thanks for the snow blotched before pictures.  This weekend, my same-brown shell Long Branches will get similar treatment, earned through hearty usage.


The new MTO / custom program should easily shave costs and improve efficiencies across the project from order to build.  And that bodes well for an occasional run of lighter shell.  Eventually.  

Folks have been saying stuff like this for a long time. I think the supply likely comes and goes in cycles. I remember someone posting an alden newspaper ad from the 80s inviting people to come and buy what would likely be their last run of cordovan shoes in history. The price was something ridiculous, like 150-200$ or so.
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Paul's quote from the recent AMA about shell colors could explain a shift to the darker brown, or, to a darker brown:

 

 


 

 

QUESTION:

Hi Paul - any word on extra shell colors? Also, how about a shoe in the new hornback leather you're using for belts right now? Or shark?

 

 

 

ANSWER:

 

New shell cordovan colors are tough. Because of the complexity of the cordovan dying/waxing process, getting colors to be consistent is a real challenge for Skip, Nick and team. Since there's such a shortage of cordovan leather, they'd rather make surefire winners than have trouble getting a light brown just right to our specifications. That's why they like to do darker shades and why we haven't done another round of walnut. I doubt the shortage will ever really alleviate. Like all leathers, cordovan is a by product of other uses of the animals. There are fewer and fewer needs for horses all the time, especially horse meat. And the demand continues to grow. So, I think the safer route of dark colors will be with us indefinitely. Shark is always a possibility. I haven't thought about hornback -- interesting question.


 

 

 
 

 @Burzan
 's pics are beautiful.  And thanks for the snow blotched before pictures.  This weekend, my same-brown shell Long Branches will get similar treatment, earned through hearty usage.


The new MTO / custom program should easily shave costs and improve efficiencies across the project from order to build.  And that bodes well for an occasional run of lighter shell.  Eventually.  
Folks have been saying stuff like this for a long time. I think the supply likely comes and goes in cycles. I remember someone posting an alden newspaper ad from the 80s inviting people to come and buy what would likely be their last run of cordovan shoes in history. The price was something ridiculous, like 150-200$ or so.

 

I agree...cordovan will be there with the right planning ahead of time; the cost savings to reduce returns/repeat builds based on color fluctuation in lighter colors is the most likely motivation if they've gone to a darker brown.

 

And that is why I remain hopeful for an occasional run of lighter shell, eventually.  

 

They need to dial the custom program in with lower cost materials, before subjecting their new program to the more expensive materials.  I still cannot believe the amount of waste they must have experienced at the last trunk show.  With size 15, and odd rubber soles, I know that I saw at least 4 items that were built for me on eBay.  In size 15, that is a sad lot of shell converted to 3rd quality.  Several of my items ended up being seconds too.  That waste inevitably led to this current timeout imo.

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This new MTO program is weak...

This is what strong looks like!

Is that an IWC?
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Is that an IWC?
Yes sir, pilot chrono 3717 from 5 years ago.
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Natural Shell Strands.

 

 

 

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-Mike

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Natural Shell Strands.

 

 

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-Mike

 

Those are terrific Mike!

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Natural Shell Strands.

-Mike
These shoes more than any others make me kick myself for not getting in on that trunk show. Of course, I wouldn't have uncreased shoes after this long. I'm starting to think Mike cut his toes off to prevent it.
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Natural Shell Strands.






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-Mike

Do you ever actually wear your shoes?
They all look new and never worn!
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Those are terrific Mike!

 

 

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These shoes more than any others make me kick myself for not getting in on that trunk show. Of course, I wouldn't have uncreased shoes after this long. I'm starting to think Mike cut his toes off to prevent it.

 

 

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Do you ever actually wear your shoes?
They all look new and never worn!

 

Thanks guys. Hah! This is their third wearing (I believe off the top of my head). I have a few pairs of shoes, so I won't have a normal rotation... Actually, I think cutting off your toes would make creasing worse, you need something that pushes back against the sole... :-) The 5-Last fits me like freakishly amazingly well. My Walnut Shell Strands look essentially brand new after around 50 wearings... This was their last voyage a few weeks ago...

 

 

-Mike

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Natural Shell Strands.






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-Mike

I am so jelly
post #8982 of 9368
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The 5-Last fits me like freakishly amazingly well.

-Mike
I want to find that last. And have it be the one all the shoes I want are on. Stupid 511 doesn't help me there.
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Since this was requested on the Alden thread, I thought I would share here as well...

 

Alden Ravello Shell LWB (2014 via AoC) versus AE Walnut Shell Strand (2012 via AE Webgem). I will add that the AEs are 4 years old now and have been worn ~40-50 times, so they have patina'ed quite a bit. I also have VSC'ed them a few times (especially right after I got them) and that darkened them just a pidge. They were slightly more muted when I first got them (picture attached for reference).

 

Naturally Diffused Lighting.

 

 

 

Direct Sunlight.

 

 

Brand new Walnut Shell.

 

Brand new Ravello.

 

-Mike

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The 5-Last fits me like freakishly amazingly well.

-Mike
I want to find that last. And have it be the one all the shoes I want are on. Stupid 511 doesn't help me there.

Sucks when you don't have the half size option like us big footed weirdos..lol that being said the 511 last if I have been able to make work...some I go down a size and up two widths and some on 511 sTay at tts
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Having a large foot in a non-D width is the double-curse.
Everyone says "go to the store to get fitted."
Yeah, right.... They've got one darn shoe in the whole store in my size, on a last I already wear.
I'm better off driving to the local outlet/shoe bank.
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