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post #1156 of 2070
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Originally Posted by Pliny View Post
 

 great choices and tough to make.  IIRC  a lot of outstanding fits in the past week or two and to my eye it's getting better in WAYWRN.  

Props for not including yr own :D ... one of my favs -  

 

Thanks, Pliny. I think I have to agree with you and @chocsosa about the quality of fits on WAYWRN. Even though I've only been active on SF for 1.5 year or so, I do feel that quality wise it has become better on average. Lately I've been compiling the posts for this thread and while initially Clag's could manage with an update around once per week, nowadays there's just too many 20+ fits. We need to update at least twice per week. And I don't think that's only down to people thumbing more liberally (yikes!!!). Sure, ocassionally there's still the odd fit in here that makes me scratch my head why it passed the treshold, but ok... OTOH, the number of really outstanding fits seems to have remained constant, at least IMO.

One more observation: I do hope that this higher average doesn't come from WAYWRN having become so focussed on those bloody thumbs, that new posters shy away from posting their fits nowadays. I do hope that WAYWRN will always be the place to post fit pics and receive constructive feedback, regardless of the level of expertise of the poster.

post #1157 of 2070
Good to have you back and doing a great job @Claghorn

Thanks everyone for the love.
post #1158 of 2070
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Originally Posted by Tirailleur1 View Post

Canta I am disappoint that you didn't see that I was joking ass well. 


disappoint. 

I think we need to hug it out. Are you in Lagos or NYC? Respond quickly I'm getting on a plane in two hours and don't want to guess wrong.
post #1159 of 2070
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Originally Posted by EliodA View Post
 

 

Thanks, Pliny. I think I have to agree with you and @chocsosa about the quality of fits on WAYWRN. Even though I've only been active on SF for 1.5 year or so, I do feel that quality wise it has become better on average. Lately I've been compiling the posts for this thread and while initially Clag's could manage with an update around once per week, nowadays there's just too many 20+ fits. We need to update at least twice per week. And I don't think that's only down to people thumbing more liberally (yikes!!!). Sure, ocassionally there's still the odd fit in here that makes me scratch my head why it passed the treshold, but ok... OTOH, the number of really outstanding fits seems to have remained constant, at least IMO.

One more observation: I do hope that this higher average doesn't come from WAYWRN having become so focussed on those bloody thumbs, that new posters shy away from posting their fits nowadays. I do hope that WAYWRN will always be the place to post fit pics and receive constructive feedback, regardless of the level of expertise of the poster.

 

As a reasonably new poster, I can say that in my case the thumb-centric feel of WAYWRN hasn't deterred me from posting shots.  It's just made me consider what I wear a little more carefully.

 

On the other hand, I do think thumbs have become a proxy for discussion about why certain fits do or do not work--actual, unsolicited feedback seems increasingly rare these days.  I'd imagine, though, that this has already been discussed somewhere.

post #1160 of 2070

The main raison why I (and I can imagine many others) don't give feedback as much in the WAYRN thread is because people tend to get very defensive and take it personally. There will also be 10 newbies saying how great that blindingly shiny metallic tie is, so it's kind of pointless. I do give feedback in Noodles' thread, because people in there are receptive to it, and even though they might disagree, they will not get defensive. It's a much better atmosphere. 

post #1161 of 2070
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Originally Posted by Monkeyface View Post

The main raison why I (and I can imagine many others) don't give feedback as much in the WAYRN thread is because people tend to get very defensive and take it personally. There will also be 10 newbies saying how great that blindingly shiny metallic tie is, so it's kind of pointless. I do give feedback in Noodles' thread, because people in there are receptive to it, and even though they might disagree, they will not get defensive. It's a much better atmosphere. 

This is, and has always been, the case with WAYWRN. There will always be a very overly defensive faction of posters.

It does give me pause, but I do try, at least on occasion, to give feedback anyways. Because even if some moran wants to fight it, he should at least hear what he is doing wrong, and, its also good info for all the n00bs that are still lurkers, so they can see what is wrong with stuff, which is just as important as seeing a bunch of good fits, or perhaps more important, imho.
post #1162 of 2070
Yes, it's nice to try, and sometimes I do, but most of the times it's just not worth the effort. I do think the fits have gotten worse on average. When people start praising fits that clearly are made up of orphaned suit jackets or things that simply don't fit, the bar is set pretty low.
post #1163 of 2070
Well, I think on average, or at least the number of people people posting solid fits pretty regularly, has increased since I joined. However, there are a fair amount of fits that I think are turrble, or are ok, but have some turrble items in there, that get ridiculous praise.

Not just n00bs, but people that have been posting for a while, and who have proved impervious to feedback. So the cycle goes from getting feedback that they fight, to getting praise for executing their "excellent" personal style. I think that the second part should be either that they get no feedback, or that people continue to tell them what parts of their fits are just bad.

This "no style left behind" idea, that anyone can just press forward with their idea of good, regardless of what it looks like by any version of the broad SF standards of good, since they happen to like it, and that everyone has to capitulate to it, is maddening to me.

What I have mostly done, is a quick compliment to people whos fits I think are great, and a thumb for the stuff that I think is nice, and you can generally assume that if I did not give a thumb or a compliment, that probably I think your fit sucks. Sure, I may miss a thumb for a fit that I dont hate, but usually, I go with critique by omission.
post #1164 of 2070

I agree stitch...I think that on average things have improved somewhat with the average poster.. I do think there are those that give advice that can take advice on their style as well.. but that is neither here nor there..personally I dress for me and what I feel comfortable in..but there are probably others that are different..on average though.. the posts in this thread are good..do some sneak in that I feel have no place here? Yup (Im talking about the crap ass selfie in the mirror with f'd up light) but on average it gives everyone on here a resource and exposure to looks that were not accessible 5-6 years ago.. shoot you might see a combo that might inspire you to emulate...and if that happens to even one or two members then this thread is successful IMO

post #1165 of 2070

Take it for what you will, but there is more to style than what is SF approved. The entire logic that seems to come off her that "look at how well xyz italian person does this look". If a poster came in that wasn't said person, they would be chastised for dressing that way and posting here. Those that supposedly know what they're doing get a pass for supposedly knowing what they're doing. Kind of a circuitous logic, don't you think.

 

There is little arguing against the fact that there's a certain SF groupthink approved image here and people react pretty strongly to many items that might not fit in there.

 

Case in point, people freak out about button down collars with a suit. Vox has written extensively about this, but people still freak out about it.

post #1166 of 2070
I think that you are conflating a lot of things in that post there, buddy.

I think it is more than fair to say that there are some pretty objectively crappy fits that are posted that get praise because people are just sick of attempting to give meaningful feedback, and because people think that dressing how you want and feeling good somehow equates with looking good.

Nobody here is forcing people to dress in a way that they don't want to dress, but that does not mean that they should get a pass at dressing crappily and not being told about it.

And yes, this post supposes that there is such thing as dressing objectively crappily , and I think that that is 100% accurate. If there is a disagreement to that point, then this is probably the wrong forum for that person.
post #1167 of 2070
Every time I want to write and long and thoughtful post, I am on mobile. So I don't...
post #1168 of 2070
Are you saying my post was not long and thoughtful? Because I did that on mobile. Thanks Siri!
post #1169 of 2070

I agree that the average quality of fits on SF is improving, and is actually better than it was in the mythical golden days of yore. However, this is not just because of more regularly posters who get the basics, it is also because both the very top and the very bottom end have been smoothed off. So we've got fewer really awful dressers, whether they be absolute beginners, trolls, douchebags or just the plain deluded. However we also have proportionally fewer WAYWRN posters who are just undeniably and consistently outstanding, 'next level' (or whatever one wants to call it).

 

I think one of the other reasons is that the general quality of, the attention paid to, and what people expect from, photography, in the WAYWRN thread has increased markedly with the diffusion of higher quality cellphone cameras etc. but also with an increasing number of posters who are primarily taking shots for their own blogs or for sales purposes and just posting to WAYWRN too. There has always been an element of signature poses and attention to location, but this has markedly increased in the last 2 or 3 years. This is, in most ways, no bad thing and it means we can enjoy more magazine-like images, cool locations etc.

 

However, I think it's also led to an increased superficiality, which means is that a lot of people see good quality pictures and give them a thumb almost regardless of whether the fit is actually that good or 'useful'. Average dressing just looks better than it used to - and there is some distinctly average dressing appearing more regularly in this thread.

 

This doesn't mean that we don't also give credit where credit is due to those who do dress genuinely well - we clearly do. But the secret to really high scoring posts, if achieving this is what floats your boat, is clearly to dress very well AND take good photographs. But I guess that's also the way to get the most out of the WAYWRN these days even if you don't care for thumbs...

post #1170 of 2070
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Originally Posted by in stitches View Post

Well, I think on average, or at least the number of people people posting solid fits pretty regularly, has increased since I joined. However, there are a fair amount of fits that I think are turrble, or are ok, but have some turrble items in there, that get ridiculous praise.

Not just n00bs, but people that have been posting for a while, and who have proved impervious to feedback. So the cycle goes from getting feedback that they fight, to getting praise for executing their "excellent" personal style. I think that the second part should be either that they get no feedback, or that people continue to tell them what parts of their fits are just bad.

This "no style left behind" idea, that anyone can just press forward with their idea of good, regardless of what it looks like by any version of the broad SF standards of good, since they happen to like it, and that everyone has to capitulate to it, is maddening to me.

What I have mostly done, is a quick compliment to people whos fits I think are great, and a thumb for the stuff that I think is nice, and you can generally assume that if I did not give a thumb or a compliment, that probably I think your fit sucks. Sure, I may miss a thumb for a fit that I dont hate, but usually, I go with critique by omission.

Well, there is an opening for a new Foo.  So if you have these strongly held opinions one way or another, I'd honestly love to read them--perhaps in your own curated thread.  I mean, I think part of the reason this thread isn't as active is because who wants to talk about a bunch fits that are generally regarded as good?  No one, because it's boring as hell.  But a ruthless "why this doesn't work" thread could be great--kind of an evil step sister to the Noodles thread.

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