Italian conservative business dress



patrickBOOTH said:

http://www.styleforum.net/t/33066/conservative-business-dress/0_10

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does not mean he invented it.



TAKE YOUR BOOTS FROM WWII AND GTFO

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WWI asshole.



jrd617 said:

not conservative business dress but i like this

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Disagree, also conservative business dress



patrickBOOTH said:

WWI asshole.

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sorry, my bad. forgot how old you were for a minute.



patrickBOOTH said:

Disagree, also conservative business dress

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Tan solaro (?) fabric is conservative business dress? Or do you mean to say that the suit fabric color/material is allowed under Italian conservative business dress?

Oh wait, I was viewing from a phone, thought it was just brown. Yeah, Solaro sucks.

Thanks for that link, Patrick, epic thread! And brown as conservative business dress? To quote Manton:

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No brown is UCBD

that thread is amazing. manton at his best.

Don't care if they're conservative business dress or not, those boots look great.

Excuse the silly question, I'm just learning: what really is the difference between Italian and American, or English conservative business dress? I don't really know enough of the details to be able to understand that (except that I love the Italian look).



EliodA said:

I think Winkelmann's style is too polished and attention-grabbing to be considered Italian conservative business dress, isn't it?

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Attention grabbing?

Not sure how you get that.

He looks good. And I imagine running Lamborgini gets you a fair amount of attention. But not sure what is too look-at-me-y about dark suits and navy ties.



patrickBOOTH said:

For what it is worth, Manton "invented" conservative business dress and he wears balmoral boots.

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I've also seen him wear a braided belt.

Manton invented conservative business dress but he isn't conservative business dress. At least not all the time.

Cantabrigian said:

Attention grabbing?

Not sure how you get that.

He looks good. And I imagine running Lamborgini gets you a fair amount of attention. But not sure what is too look-at-me-y about dark suits and navy ties.

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Really? How about the sky-high shirt collars of almost Karl Lagerfeld-like proportions, the very close fitting suits, the gargantuan wrist watches and the myriad of #menswear bracelets?
Not exactly old-fart Italian industrialist conservative business dress, if you ask me...

But I agree with you, he sure does look good.

Cleav said:

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American businessmen today tend to wear very dark charcoal or navy suits in a single-breasted notch-lapel model. The fabrics are hard-finished worsted. The suit shoulders are wide and the fit rather boxy. The elegant minority influenced by Italy or Britain aside, most American businessmen do not wear pocket squares. The shirts are usually white. If they're spread collar, it's a moderate spread with very little roll, though BDs are sometimes worn. The collars sit lower and expose more of the neck. The ties, as the Duke of Windsor once pointed out about American dress, are often in highly saturated colors like bright red, blue, or purple.

The first thing you notice about Italian conservative business dress is that businessmen do not confine themselves to hard-finished worsted, but will wear textured or napped fabrics like flannel or worsted flannel. The color range of the suits is wider. Instead of the American nearly black, you see lighter shades of navy and charcoal, and more blue-greys, mid-blues, and mid-greys. Italian businessmen will wear both DB and SB suits. The shoulders and waist are more fitted, though not to an extreme, fashionable degree (we're talking here about Italian conservative business dress rather than Pitti Uomo). The shirts will have a higher collar band to frame the face more elegantly. The spread collar might be wider, and it will have more of a roll. The Italians are masters at the most subtle, light, and beautiful shades of pale blue shirts. They combine them with tasteful navy, grey, or blue-grey ties, the tones complementing the shirts, instead of the harshly saturated ties seen on American politicians. Ties can sometimes be made of wool or cashmere, which you'd never see on a Cabinet member in the US. Italian businessmen will finish their outfits with a discreet white pocket square.