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that scene was a very pleasant surprise, that intro could have been fleshed out more actually

and speaking of the Joker, Leto was somewhat mad at the amount they left on the cutting room floor (you'll notice that many scenes in the trailers weren't in the film), here's a supposed scenes that was cut off which includes plenty fo the Jokersscenes:


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In early cuts, the movie's opening detailed June Moone's posession by Enchantress in real time. Reshoots reshuffled the scene to be later in the movie in flashback form in favor of a new opening centered on Deadshot.
Deadshot in the prison cell, watching the rain fall and thinking about his daughter.
El Diablo observing the flame of a lit match, before putting it out due to his vow to no longer use his powers.
El Diablo being escorted to a training center by being placed in a tube that fills with water to quel his flames, and then unceremoniously dropped onto the ground.
Early interviews mentioned Captain Boomerang's racism and sexism, but the movie is light on examples of such behavior, which have apparently been deleted. Most of them were reportedly directed at Katana, to whom Boomerang is attracted to.
Early reports indicated more backstory for Killer Croc, revealing that he lived his entire life as a social outcast due to his physical deformities and has convinced himself that he is beautiful in his own way. Croc crossed paths with Batman while working as muscle-for-hire for numerous Gotham's crime bosses, while secretly planning to take over one day. There were also scenes displaying his affinity for making sculptures out of discarded materials. Aside from jokes about Croc viewing himself as 'beautiful,' one of these were retained in the final cut.
Also deleted was a scene where he (Croc) becomes sick at the helicopter escort to Midway City, throws up half-digested pieces of goat, and then eats them again, disgusting the nearby Navy Seals.
Early cuts reportedly included a passing reference to Slipknot being serial rapist, likely to further paint him as unsympathetic to the audience ahead of his own death.
More scenes of Rick Flag and June Moone's romantic relationship, including him reading the files of the Suicide Squad recruits after Waller delivers them to him.
Another scene where Flag and Moone are out on a date.
Extended scene of Joker interrogating Captain Griggs, including the line, "I can't wait to show you my toys," which was in every trailer, but was removed from the movie.
Joker and his men escaping after shooting up a restaurant. Harley, who is already affiliated with the Joker, follows them on a motorcycle and intercepts their car. Joker bangs his head against the glass in frustration.
Joker and Harley then get into a fight, which ends with Harley pointing a gun at Joker's head. Joker sweet-talks Harley into lowering the gun, charming her, then backhands her across the face. Afterwards he sweet-talks her again and they kiss.
Extended Ace Chemicals scene where Harley jumps into the chemicals. More bits of dialogue by the Joker.
Extended Batmobile chase scene with more interaction between Joker and Harley. One of the examples, presented in all the trailers, is the Joker punching the roof of his car.
Harley using her baseball bat as a mock gun to play shoot at invisible foes.
Extended scene of Joker breaking into the nanobomb manufacture facility to arrange for Harley's neck-bomb to be disabled.
More interactions between Harley and Boomerang. Early cuts apparently included her really disliking him despite growing affectionate to all other members of the squad.
Extended bar scene with Harley taking everyone's orders. Deadshot calls for a shot, Katana wants whiskey, Croc and Boomerang settle for beer, Harley asks Diablo wants and he prefers water which she jokes, is "a good idea." The scene was featured in the trailers, but in the movie it cuts directly to Deadshot's speech about them almost pulling the mission off.
Removed several scenes with the Joker to repaint his relationship with Harley as more loving rather than abusive.
Joker and Harley get into an argument after he rescues her in the hijacked helicopter. In early cuts he reportedly pushes her out to kill her, then the helicopter gets shot down. This was apparently reworked into the helicopter getting shot down first and Joker pushing her out to save her.
Joker returns during the final battle in the subway station, face half-burnt from the helicopter crash, which apparently leads to a brief altercation with the Suicide Squad. He calls for Harley to escape with him but she refuses for once in order to help her friends, and the Joker escapes after throwing a live grenade at the group to cover his own escape.
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I've seen some speculation that maybe he got his scenes cut down because his overall performance might not have been all that.
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I've seen some speculation that maybe he got his scenes cut down because his overall performance might not have been all that.

From what I've seen, he was perfectly fine as the Joker, different interpretation but it was good. If anything, more of him on film would have been better.

Plus some of his scenes being cut sounds like they simply didn't want to make the film too long as it was already two hours.
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From what I've seen, he was perfectly fine as the Joker, different interpretation but it was good. If anything, more of him on film would have been better.

Plus some of his scenes being cut sounds like they simply didn't want to make the film too long as it was already two hours.

Yeah, I don't know. I have yet to see the film and like I said it's speculation. I will say that I have seen the point brought up several times that the Joker is a huge draw for the film. He was featured pretty heavily in the marketing and is one of the most well known and popular villains in comics. So this leads one to wonder why they would go out of their way to minimize his role in the film. Going so far as to edit out multiple Joker scenes already teased to audiences in the marketing. The thought process goes that the studio would only do this if a lot of the footage they had of the Joker in SS wasn't all that great and they were trying repair the movie the best they could.

Again, have not seen the film yet. Just tossing this theory out there for the peanut gallery.
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In before they release the 'ultimate extended DVD version' and its 50% better than the movie.

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Yeah, I don't know. I have yet to see the film and like I said it's speculation. I will say that I have seen the point brought up several times that the Joker is a huge draw for the film. He was featured pretty heavily in the marketing and is one of the most well known and popular villains in comics. So this leads one to wonder why they would go out of their way to minimize his role in the film. Going so far as to edit out multiple Joker scenes already teased to audiences in the marketing. The thought process goes that the studio would only do this if a lot of the footage they had of the Joker in SS wasn't all that great and they were trying repair the movie the best they could.
 

People were bound to be disappointed by the Joker no matter what though. Their idea is so shaped by Heath Ledger that he was never going to satisfy them. If he tried to copy Ledger, he would be called a copycat and unimaginative and criticized if he wasn't perfect, and if he tried to be different it would throw people off.

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Honestly, that's the first speculation that Leto was just so bad that they had to cut his role.

The chemistry between him and Robbie as Joker and Harley worked and to those that has seen the film, it is probably their favorite and they want to see more of it.

If I am leaning towards anything, it's the executives telling Ayer to cut his parts as it may border R-rated and not too kid friendly? I mean it is already taking a huge hit in the international box office as it looks like China is going to deny it's release and I think it is mainly due to the violence already in the film.
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People were bound to be disappointed by the Joker no matter what though. Their idea is so shaped by Heath Ledger that he was never going to satisfy them. If he tried to copy Ledger, he would be called a copycat and unimaginative and criticized if he wasn't perfect, and if he tried to be different it would throw people off.

People said the same thing about Ledger coming off of Jack's take on the role. If a new take is good, people will like it. The Joker has been shown in many different forms over the years in comics, movies and tv. It's the quality of the portrayal that matters the most.
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The chemistry between him and Robbie as Joker and Harley worked and to those that has seen the film, it is probably their favorite and they want to see more of it.

Yep

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Warner Bros Firms ‘Ocean’s 8’ Lineup: Anne Hathaway, Rihanna, Awkwafina, Helena Bonham Carter, Mindy Kaling Join Sandra Bullock & Cate Blanchett

Warner Bros has firmed an October start date in New York for Ocean’s Eight, the female-driven caper spinoff directed by Gary Ross, and the studio is closing with its principal cast. Aside from the previously identified Sandra Bullock and Cate Blanchett, deals are close with Anne Hathaway, Rihanna, Helena Bonham Carter, Mindy Kaling and Awkwafina. The latter is the hip-hop moniker of Asian-American rapper and actress Nora Lum, who most recently had a role in Neighbors 2.

The picture is still casting — the firmed roster so far falls one shy of the title — and there is every possibility for cameos from the stars of the original trilogy, which grossed a collective $1.12 billion worldwide. Ross discussed the possibility of Bullock, Blanchett, Carter and Kaling while he was out promoting his most recent film, the Matthew McConaughey starrer Free State of Jones.
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I assume this will be mandatory viewing as part of freshmen orientation.
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Details are starting to come out about Star Trek Discovery, the new tv series for CBS.

http://deadline.com/2016/08/star-trek-discovery-bryan-fuller-cbs-all-access-1201801698/
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Bryan Fuller teased a number of details at today’s Star Trek Discovery TCA panel, which is scheduled to drop in January on CBS All Access with its premiere episode debuting on CBS before moving over to the frosh streaming service. Here’s what Fuller divulged:

Related'Star Trek Discovery': Series Reboot To Have Female Lead As Casting Heats Up
–Production starts in two months. “It’s set 10 years before Kirk, and will bridge the gap between Enterprise and the original series,” revealed Fuller. “We’re most closer to Kirk’s mission and get to play with that iconography.”

—Lead female character isn’t a captain, but “lieutenant commander with caveats,” says Fuller. “We haven’t cast her yet and we don’t know what level of diversity, she will be. The story that’s fascinating for me is that we’ve seen six series from captain’s point of view and to see one from another point of view gives us a richer context,” explained Fuller. She’ll be a sensitive hero.

–Overall, there about seven lead characters. Opening scene isn’t on a planet or Earth. One of the alien characters is named Saru.

–Fuller loves the character of Spock’s mother, Amanda Grayson, played by Winona Ryder in the J.J. Abrams 2009 movie. As far as her inclusion in season one, “possibly” said Fuller as the show’s timeline occurs around the same time as Grayson’s. In no way will the show be strictly about Grayson, rather an original member of Star Fleet.

—Star Trek was always about diversity. It was the show where a Russian man and a black woman co-existed on the same space crew. “We’re absolutely about continuing that tradition,” said Fuller, “It’s about who’s the best actor, what can we say about diversity in every role. We’ll have more aliens than you have on a Star Trek cast.”

— “There will be robots.”

–“Absolutely, we’re having a gay character,” said Fuller, “Alex Kurtzman, the straight man in the team was telling me we would need a gay character.

–Thirteen episodes? But most Star Trek seasons are over 20-something episodes. Fuller is keeping it tight, so that the storytelling is cohesive, and there aren’t any tangents associated, which can episode with a fully-loaded broadcast season.

—Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan director Nicholas Meyer is in the writers’ room. While there’s no Kobayashi Maru star fleet test, “we talk about Kobayashi Maru scenarios that star fleet officers might face,” added Fuller.

star trek planet of the titans

–The Discovery’s look is inspired by the Ralph McQuarrie illustrations from an abandoned 1970s Star Trek movie Planet of the Titans.

–Fuller at Comic-Con revealed that the series wouldn’t be episodic, but novel-like. “We will have episodes that stand alone, but are also part of a bigger story.”

–What about alien sex? “There’s a reason why we call it ‘STD’,” joked Fuller about the show’s acronym, “It’s still Star Trek and we’re not subject to broadcast standards and practices. Hannibal was, and we got away with murder. There will be slightly more graphic content.”
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Never been a big fan of Star Trek other than Deep Space 9 but might check this one out to see if it's any good.
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