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post #3451 of 3805
Have people been watching AMC's Preacher? I have been re-reading the books. Those are great with a hearty dose of 90s outrageousness. What is interesting is that some of the outrageousness would simply be off-limits and not publishable today, while other parts are ho-hum and have lost their shock value.
post #3452 of 3805
^ Yeah, that's true. The more crazy shit like the constant gratuitous bloodbaths and Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
killing God
would definitely raise some eyebrows. But the other stuff like vampires, angels, and Hell are kind run-of-the-mill at this point with shows like True Blood, Supernatural, and Buffy having tread those waters already. That's just my opinion. I do enjoy the show though.
post #3453 of 3805
And with regards to beating a dead horse with DC product,,, the only stuff I can kind of enjoy nowadays from them since I don't really buy comics like I used to are the animated films. However, even they have kind of fallen off at this point. I haven't watched The Killing Joke yet.
post #3454 of 3805
It's been a while since I read Preacher, but I cannot remember a thing about the series that would be considered off-limits or not publishable today. There are plenty of books on the market showcasing gore and even larger bloodbaths then Preacher ever did. Don't believe me? Read Crossed as an example of how far things are being pushed these days.

There are also plenty of books featuring sacrilegious story lines that don't hold back. So these parts of the story can't be held up as un publishable by today's standards either.

Preacher is a fantastic story that broke a lot of ground, but it's nothing that couldn't be re-produced by a variety of publishers in 2016.
post #3455 of 3805
Definitely publishable but it really depends on the market you're aiming for. Sure, us super niche geeks wouldn't bat an eyelash at the gore/sexual violence/blasphemy that these products have to offer but show the same material to a bunch of hicks from Fatburger, USA and you'd be getting some feathers ruffled and feminist think pieces written up the wazoo.

It really isn't all that different from the anime/manga that was coming out of Japan way, way earlier and had ideas/concepts/images that some may deem "fucked up" even to day.
post #3456 of 3805
Well those same hicks from Fatburger, USA wouldn't have been the market for Preacher when it came out either or any other title from Vertigo. I was commenting on and disagreeing with Dopey's point that Preacher contained certain outrageousness that wouldn't be publishable today.
post #3457 of 3805
Anyone think that DC is beige judged extra hard because everyone wants The Dark Knight level movies? So everything just seems bad in comparison due to the high expectations
post #3458 of 3805
^ Judging from the comments I've read online, I think people are kind of over DC (or I guess Snyder's) attempts at "Dark Knight-ing" everything. To your point of them judging DC movies harshly because they don't reach TDK's level of quality,,, I personally think that's unfair. In a way, you could argue that The Dark Knight was lightning in a bottle that even the sequel couldn't live up to. It's up there as one of the best CB movies of all time.

The funny thing is, I re-watched it recently and despite how awesome it is as a whole, there is some unintentional corniness in some scenes. Maybe due to my tastes changing but scenes like Batman yelling while charging at the Joker in the BatPod and the scenes with Harvey in the hospital are super corny to me now.
post #3459 of 3805
I truly do believe Geoff Johns will be the savior of the DCU, but am unsure how soon it will be before we see the fruits of his influence. As I mentioned before, the script for WW was written when Snyder had full control of DC's vision for these films.
post #3460 of 3805
WW needs more of that exotic rock soundtrack she had on BvS. That might save it.
post #3461 of 3805
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Well those same hicks from Fatburger, USA wouldn't have been the market for Preacher when it came out either or any other title from Vertigo. I was commenting on and disagreeing with Dopey's point that Preacher contained certain outrageousness that wouldn't be publishable today.
Treatment of race and "buggery" would not be publishable today.
post #3462 of 3805
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Originally Posted by dopey View Post

Treatment of race and "buggery" would not be publishable today.

Wasn't it mainly the bad actors in the story that did so?
post #3463 of 3805
In the case of race, that is mostly true, although I don't think Sheriff Root calling people Martian Niggers or any of his other musings on race would be ok today no matter who was saying it. The same with the illustration of the black neighborhood where Jesse drops off one of the Klansmen. The buggery jokes and even the entire concept of Bob Glover and Freddy Allen the sexual detectives (one who anally assaults suspects and the other won a fellatio trophy and gives blow jobs for gas money) and the repressed homosexual superstar cop would not be writeable today.
But you are right about the violence and theology. That is now un-spectacular.
Edited by dopey - 8/4/16 at 2:38pm
post #3464 of 3805
The thing that fascinates me about the Marvel/DC universes is that the Marvel movies are mostly good, but the TV shows are underwhelming, while the DC movies have been reviled, and the TV shows are strong across the board. Neither has really been able to recreate the success in one medium in the other.
post #3465 of 3805
Speaking of TDK, here is the teaser for Nolan's next film. Despite him trying his best Spielberg impression,, there's some pretty cool imagery. Plus, my boy Harry Styles is in it. smile.gif

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