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post #2086 of 3826
Another reboot of FF? In time for them to cross it over with the current running X-Men franchise? That sounds rushed at best and would likely lead to an even bigger disaster for the studio.

Never mind the fact that FF and X-Men have never meshed all that well in comic narratives. No reason to think a Hollywood writer could do it better.

Honestly, I wouldn't be at all surprised if they end up trading it back to Marvel eventually. They have proven to themselves twice they have no idea what to do with the franchise and would be better off focusing on what they know they can get right. The key word here is "trade." No one expects them to give it back to Marvel for nothing. Just because both sides are denying it, doesn't mean negotiations are happening.
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It's not a reboot, their doing a sequel and then they'll eventually just meet up once Xmen timelines matches I guess.

The darker and more sci-fi F4 they established works with the XMen in the movies Singer has created.

Also got to keep in mind that Apocalypse film further resets the timeline so anything after that could possibly be consider a very soft reboot.


I mean it's too easy to say negotiations are happening behind close doors... there could always be negotiations and talks behind closed doors or through emails, plenty of crazy shit are thrown around for sure like Superman being in Star Wars and what not, it really means nothing until there is a solid confirmation.

As fans, we all want it but we also got to keep in mind that Marvel has practically black listed Fox's franchise characters in their books. I mean you can't tell me XMen isn't selling books for them that they had to be cancelled, F4 I could understand (maybe) but they also have much more obscure comics that likely in the bottom barrel of the sales bin and still doesn't move. I mean even now they are kind of replacing the Mutants with Inhumans because that's what they could use in the films and tv shows. Marvel also stopped making Xmen toys iirc, I mean that's a lot of money they are throwing away just to spite them.


Despite Sony and Marvel talks, I still do not believe they would have shared Spidey had the leaks not happen. I mean ASM2 wasn't widely received by critics (I liked it) and it made money for them (much more than F4 and XMen franchise combined) and they were pressured to letting Marvel in to help them out. It was also that as a studio, Sony was in a much bigger trouble. Fox isn't and their standard for box office success is also much lower. While Age of Ultron was seen as a disappointment at Disney because it didn't make more than the first one and only made $1.4 BILLION, with Foxthey considered The Wolverines $414mil haul a huge success (biggest haul since X3) and DoFPs $750m is a gigantic success in comparison.
post #2088 of 3826
Last time Fox moved forward with a sequel to a failed launch of a FF movie franchise it worked out well for them. So why not?

I mean sure I could see them doing it to maintain rights, but it's huge risk of even further damaging the characters as a movie franchise to the general public. They would be better off tossing everything out and starting fresh again if they really are dead set on keeping the characters in house. At least then they could try a different direction with fresh creative that has learned from past mistakes.

This is all just speculation on both of our parts as we have no idea what the higher ups at Fox are thinking. I just would hope the plans they are making don't involve trying to polish a turd again with moving forward with the sequel.
post #2089 of 3826
Figured I should share this here too. Looks like we are getting the full trailer for Episode 7 on Monday and tickets will be available for pre-order shortly after.

http://io9.com/you-could-soon-buy-tickets-for-star-wars-the-force-awa-1736560695
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Last time Fox moved forward with a sequel to a failed launch of a FF movie franchise it worked out well for them. So why not?

I mean sure I could see them doing it to maintain rights, but it's huge risk of even further damaging the characters as a movie franchise to the general public. They would be better off tossing everything out and starting fresh again if they really are dead set on keeping the characters in house. At least then they could try a different direction with fresh creative that has learned from past mistakes.

This is all just speculation on both of our parts as we have no idea what the higher ups at Fox are thinking. I just would hope the plans they are making don't involve trying to polish a turd again with moving forward with the sequel.


Doing another reboot is not good, Fant4stic set-up the new world just fine. It really was a few tweaks away from being a decent origin film. A sequel where the director isn't a coke addict/headcase can make it all up, if I were Fox I'll let Vaughn handle it.


Kinsberg and Fox were determined to make a sequel even before the film came out, they are committed to the cast because for the most part they are talented and you could see them shine in parts. I think they are just all in on the franchise at this point.


Also an article via HitFix on why F4 wasn't going to Marvel.
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Fox isn't planning to give it back to Marvel, though. Whether anyone wants to believe it at this point or not, they still have plans for the property. What form those plans will take is still under discussion, but they haven't just given up and thrown in the towel on it. They took a critical beating on the film, they had big problems with the press and with their director, and it's been a financial disappointment, to say the least. Even so, they managed to squeeze about $165 million out of the movie when you factor in the worldwide box-office.

That's not the point, though. There is a rumor that has gone crazy today that Fox has traded Marvel Studios the rights to "Fantastic Four" so that Fox can produce several different "X-Men" based television shows.

The "X-Men" TV shows are true. The thing is, they've been negotiating them for months, and to be clear, Marvel didn't give anything up. They negotiated a deal to co-produce the series, something that's become very lucrative for them. They've got "Agents of SHIELD" and "Agent Carter" on ABC, and they've got the Netflix deal in place for several different series.

One of those, I'd point out, is "Daredevil," a property that was owned for a time by Fox, who produced one film and an "Elektra" spin-off, and they came very close to making another movie as well. They balked at the last moment, though, and lost the rights to the character, also losing the rights to the Kingpin in the process. The Netflix "Daredevil" has become very well regarded among fans of the character, and the second season is going to fold another character that has had a rocky big-screen career, The Punisher, into the series.

Let me ask you this: if you're 20th Century Fox and you traded away "Daredevil" only to watch Marvel knock it out of the park, both creatively and in terms of fan reaction, how eager do you think you're going to be to also hand over "Fantastic Four," which you've fumbled creatively twice now? Do you think Fox is a rush to get shown up again? Or do you think it's more likely they've got something to prove now? Do you think they're going to hand over a potential franchise that exists as a rights package with a number of other characters and ideas bundled into it, or do you think they're going to keep trying to figure it out because they know how much money they've made off of the "X-Men" film series so far?

To be clear, I did my homework today. If Fox did trade away "Fantastic Four," which they did not, they did it without telling anyone involved with the property at all. Because that's the way things work. They wouldn't tell any of the involved parties, and they especially wouldn't tell Constantin Film, the actual rights holder on the property. Oh, wait, what? You mean Fox doesn't own "Fantastic Four" outright? You mean even if they wanted to, they couldn't trade the property for something else? Really? That seems surprising, unless you've paid any attention to the development history of "Fantastic Four" at all.

Like I said… I understand why rumors spread. People want to believe them. But I don't understand how people who write about films for a living routinely will print things that don't even pass a fundamental sniff test because they don't know anything about the way things actually work. More and more these days, so-called "fan press" seems to believe that actual expertise is something that doesn't matter, and so we see entire days or weeks of outright fabrication or faulty games of connect-the-dots, and we watch fandom whip itself into a frenzy over nothing.

Logic and a working knowledge of the business side of our industry… are those things too much too ask?

On days like today, it feels like the answer to that is "yes."


Read more at http://www.hitfix.com/motion-captured/why-that-new-fantastic-four-rumor-is-complete-nonsense#MEDgPuMigIB2SFjb.99
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legit crying from the star wars trailer rn
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Jesus, this just looks worse and worse.

Still gonna see it and probably hate myself for it afterwards.
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I'm REALLY trying to keep an open mind on him. If any character can be open to unique interpretations it's the Joker. He's had many over the years in comics, film and cartoons and a wide variety of them have been drastically different yet still worked. Contrast the Batman Animated Series (my favorite) version versus Jack's or the one in TDK to see what I am getting at.

Yet this one is really rubbing me the wrong way. I don't care for what they have shown us so far and it's getting harder and harder for me to maintain any level of excitement for what will be his portrayal.
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post #2098 of 3826
Ew. Nothing about that is appealing at all. Wasn't planning on seeing it, and it has been affirmed.
post #2099 of 3826
Still can't believe the "damaged" tattoo turned out to be part of the final design. I think I could live with most of the other ones, but that forehead tat is a douche too far.
post #2100 of 3826
How was the Supergirl premier last night? Didn't catch it.
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