EG Sale?

Originally Posted by dr.no

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Will, my inquiry was in respect to width - does an RLPL "D" = EG "E"?

Supposedly. It's comparable, although UK E, IMO is slightly wider than a US D., but perhaps not by much. But I would *not* go for a UK D, because that would be narrower than a US D.

Originally Posted by teddieriley

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But I would go for a UK D, because that would be narrower than a US D.

Though not by much. With laced shoes it's just about a push. With casuals and monks it's a bit more important.

Originally Posted by dr.no

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My Grants need some EG (sale) companions. Can someone please confirm: RLPL 9/9.5D = EG 9/9.5E for same last? Alternatively what is the outsole width on an EG of this size (not RLPL) shoe on 888 last?

My foot over 5-6 pair of RLPL in 8.5/9D and 3 pair of EG in 8.5/9E is that RLPLs are EG 8.5/9D. I can wear them after some painful breaking in and stretching but the E width fits my US D width foot much much better.

However others think the D width is like a US D width. Not true for my foot.

Perry

I always find this sizing inconsistency so frustrating.

I have the Inverness 82 last, purchased at Mitchell's in Connecticut. It is marked 9.5/10 D. I was told that EG marks shoes ordered by an American vendor with American sizing....hence D is normal width. Were the shoe being sold in UK it would be marked with an E.

Sound right? Last year I ordered the Sandringham 202 last in an F because I wanted to be able to wear heavier socks; probably didn't need to as it seems the 202 is a bit roomier.

In my recent MTO with G&G, they marked the width as a D. I assume that is their normal width.

I get so paranoid about messing up the size!

When EG sends their stock list they have three groupings D, E, F. Doesn't that correspond to narrow, normal, wide?

probably didn't need to as it seems the 202 is a bit roomier.

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Exactly right. The 202 is a very comfy roomy last. Most of my EGs are on the 202. I love this last.

Originally Posted by teddieriley

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Supposedly. It's comparable, although UK E, IMO is slightly wider than a US D., but perhaps not by much. But I would *not* go for a UK D, because that would be narrower than a US D.

This is puzzling. If EG makes the Grant on the 888 last, don't they have three last widths commonly used (in UK D, E, F). They make the shoe on one of those widths. Would they customize the width on an entire production line?

The question is how do they label it. If it is on the normal (E) width, they send it to RLPL with a D marking. Wouldn't an EG Oundle 888 last E width be the exact same shoe?

When I spoke to EG, they said they didn't make a RTW less than a D; that would be made to order.

That is how I have concluded UK D is narrow, E is normal, F is wide. Now of course, EG tends to fit snug, so many used to say aan Alden or AE D width will find a RLPL D or an EG E a closer fit than what they are used to.

Shoes made on the EG lasts that are made to be sold in US stores are marked with the US standard. Therefore D is E is normal. MY THEORY: NEEDING VALIDATION!

Bengal-Stripe or Aportnoy, can you weigh in on this?

Quite a few RLPL shoes, sold in the States, are made on last 89. Lauren/Europe and Lauren/International are apparently different companies who place their orders separately. I've never seen a European RLPL shoe made on last 89. That doesn't mean 89 has never had been used at all in Europe, but last 808 is still popular with RL/Europe.

Last 89 is pretty big, compared to other EG lasts. So comparing 89 to something like 82 is a bit like the proverbial apples and oranges. The EG sale will open in about an hours time; I'll be there early, as I'm due to meet someone there. I try to get the information from the horse's mouth, and will post here later today.

I'm guessing all the confusion is from last differences. RLPL shoes have always been marked with UK widths, not US widths. To my knowledge so have all the other US market shoes, with the exception of some of the old private label stuff that doesn't bear the EG name.

Some problems did occur when RLPL ordered the wrong widths, for the last. For instance, they used to stock shoes on the 808 (narrow last) in a UK D width and sell them as a US medium width. Those ran narrow of course. Then they were stocking shoes on the 89 (a wide last) in E width. Those ran wide. On the 808, a UK E is a medium, and on the 89, a D is a medium. Those Barksdale loafers were another mistake, they stocked those in a UK D width and they ran quite narrow.

I have concluded UK D is narrow, E is normal, F is wide.

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Generally speaking, that is correct.

Here's the list of shoes in 8 (UK), nothing for me though:

PLEASE SEE LIST OF SALE SHOES. ALL SHOES ARE £290 TAX FREE UNLESS MARKED OTHERWISE, PLUS SHIPPING.

Size 8 Sale Shoes

Size 8C

Casuals
BELGRAVIA CHESTNUT 184

Size 8 D

Oxfords
FAWSLEY BURNT PINE 606
LICHFIELD BURNT PINE 82
FAWSLEY BLACK 888
BEAULIEU DARK OAK 82

Derbys
MONMOUTH DARK OAK WILLOW 888
ELMSLEY BLACK 202

Casuals
WALTON BLACK 184
MONTPELLIER BLACK 184

Size 8 E

Oxfords
ISHAM BLACK 202
MALVERN BLACK 82
ISHAM BLACK 82
ISHAM BLACK 202
LADBROKE CHESTNUT 606
CANTERBURY BLACK 808
BEAULIEU DARK OAK 82
HYTHE BURNT PINE 888
FAWSLEY BLACK 888
CHELSEA DARK OAK 82

Derbys
SANDRINGHAM BLACK COUNTRY CALF 202 (Dainite rubber sole)
SPEY BLACK 202
ELMSLEY BURNT PINE 606 (Ridgeway rubber sole)
HOLBORN DARK OAK 606
HOLBORN BLACK 606
HOLBORN NUTMEG SUEDE 606
SANDRINGHAM COGNAC SUEDE 202

Monks
FALMOUTH DAMSON ANILINE 202

Casuals
BELGRAVIA FOX SUEDE 184
MONTPELLIER CHESTNUT 184
WIGMORE EDWARDIAN 606
PICCADILLY CHESTNUT 184
BAMFORD BLACK 184
PICCADILLY BURNT PINE 184
TEWKESBURY CHESTNUT 184


Size 8 F

Oxfords
ISHAM BLACK 82
CANTERBURY BLACK 808
HYTHE BURNT PINE 888
CHELSEA DARK OAK 202
FAWSLEY BLACK 888
BEAULIEU DARK OAK 82
MACDONALD BURGUNDY 202

Derbys
ELMSLEY BURNT PINE 606 (Ridgeway rubber sole)
SPEY BLACK 202

Monks
TROON EDWARDIAN 82

Casuals
WIGMORE CHESTNUT 202
MONTPELLIER BLACK 184
BAMFORD BLACK 184
BELGRAVIA MINK SUEDE 184
PRESTWICK BLACK 184




** IF YOU WISH TO ORDER ANY OF THE SHOES PLEASE SUPPLY CREDIT CARD NUMBER, EXPIRY DATE, SECURITY NUMBER (LAST THREE DIGITS ON THE BACK OF THE CARD) AND BILLING ADDRESS OF THE CARD, ALSO SHIPPING ADDRESS.

Here's the list of size 10 (UK) shoes.

Size 10 Sale Shoes

Size 10 C

Casuals
BELGRAVIA CHESTNUT 184

Size 10 D

Oxfords
BERKELEY BLACK 202
FAWSLEY BLACK 888
BEAULIEU DARK OAK 82

Derbys
CARTER DARK OAK 888 (£310.00 TAX-FREE)
ELMSLEY BLACK 202

Casuals
PICCADILLY BURNT PINE 184
MONTPELLIER BLACK 184

Size 10 E

Oxfords
ISHAM BLACK 202
ISHAM BLACK 82
FAWSLEY BLACK 888
BEAULIEU DARK OAK 82
BERKELEY DARK OAK 202
HYTHE BURNT PINE 888
CANTERBURY BLACK 808

Derbys
SPEY BLACK 202
ELMSLEY BURNT PINE 606 E (Ridgeway rubber sole)
MONMOUTH DARK OAK WILLOW 888
DOVER BLACK 202 (Dainite rubber sole) (£310.00 tax-free)
CARDIFF CHESTNUT 202 (Dainite rubber sole)
ELMSLEY DARK OAK 202 (2 PAIRS)
CARDIFF DARK OAK 808
HOLBORN DARK OAK 606
HOLBORN BLACK 606

Monks
WESTMINSTER DARK OAK WILLOW 888

Casuals
WINCHELSEA TOBACCO SUEDE
BELGRAVIA FOX SUEDE 184

Size 10 F

Oxfords
HYTHE BURNT PINE 888
BEAULIEU DARK OAK 82
FAWSLEY BLACK 606
FAWSLEY BLACK 888
CANTERBURY BLACK 808
ISHAM BLACK 82

Derbys
MONMOUTH DARK OAK WILLOW 888
SPEY BLACK 202
ELMSLEY BURNT PINE 606 (Ridgeway rubber sole)

Monks
WESTMINSTER DARK OAK WILLOW 888

Casuals
MONTPELLIER BLACK 184


I ordered a pair of black Cadogan on the 202 last (so I removed those from the list ). What was most vexing however, was to find a pair on the list which I had ordered earlier this year and which I'm still awaiting . Oh well...

MtB

Could someone please post the list for size 7, if available? I emailed E.G., but no answer.......

not 7, but 7,5 UK

Size 7 ½ Sale Shoes

7 ½ C

Casuals
BELGRAVIA BLACK 184
BELGRAVIA CHESTNUT 184

7 ½ D

Oxfords
ISHAM BLACK 202
FAWSLEY BLACK 606
FAWSLEY BLACK 888
FAWSLEY BURNT PINE 606
LADBROKE ACORN 888
BERKELEY BURGUNDY 888
BEAULIEU DARK OAK 82

Derbys
EXETER BLACK 888
ELMSLEY BLACK 202

Monks
TROON CHESTNUT 202

Casuals
BELGRAVIA FOX SUEDE 184


7 ½ E

Oxfords
MALVERN BLACK 82
FAWSLEY BURNT PINE 606
FAWSLEY BLACK 888
CANTERBURY BLACK 808
BEAULIEU DARK OAK 82
HYTHE BURNT PINE 888
WALCOT BURGUNDY 808
ISHAM BLACK 82

Derbys
SANDRINGHAM BLACK COUNTRY CALF 202 (DAINITE RUBBER SOLES)
HOLBORN DARK OAK 606
HOLBORN BLACK 606
SPEY BLACK 202
ELMSLEY BURNT PINE 606 (Ridgeway rubber soles)

Monks
FALMOUTH DAMSON ANILINE 202
ASHBY DARK OAK 606 (£310.00 tax-free)

Casuals
MONTPELLIER CHESTNUT 184
BELGRAVIA FOX SUEDE 184
BELGRAVIA BIRCH 65

7 ½ F

Oxfords
ISHAM BLACK 82
CANTERBURY BLACK 808
HYTHE BURNT PINE 888
FAWSLEY BLACK 888
BEAULIEU DARK OAK 82

Derbys
MONMOUTH DARK OAK WILLOW 888
ELMSLEY BURNT PINE 606 (Ridgeway rubber soles)
SPEY BLACK 202

Monks
WESTMINSTER DARK OAK WILLOW 888

Casuals
BAMFORD BLACK 184

Size 9 and 9.5: My selections in bold
Size 9 Sale Shoes

9 C

BELGRAVIA CHESTNUT 184

9 D

Oxfords
BERKELEY BURGUNDY 888
GLADSTONE BURGUNDY 888
ASQUITH NUTMEG SUEDE 888
FAWSLEY BURNT PINE 606
SOUTHWOLD BLACK 82
BEAULIEU DARK OAK 82

Derbys
MONMOUTH DARK OAK WILLOW 888
CARTER DARK OAK 888 (£310.00 tax-free)

Casuals
MONTPELLIER BLACK 184 (2 PAIRS)
PARSON BLACK 888

Size 9 E

Oxfords
ISHAM BLACK 82
CANTERBURY BLACK 808
HYTHE BURNT PINE 888
FAWSLEY BLACK 888
BEAULIEU DARK OAK 82

Derbys
HOLBORN DARK OAK 606 (2 PAIRS)
ELMSLEY BURNT PINE 606 (Ridgeway rubber sole)
SPEY BLACK 202
DOVER BLACK 606 (£310.00 tax-free)

Monks
FALMOUTH DAMSON ANILINE 202
WALPOLE BLACK 888
ASHBY DARK OAK 606 (£310.00 tax-free)
FULHAM CHESTNUT 606 (£310.00 tax-free)

Casuals
MONTPELLIER BLACK 184
BELGRAVIA FOX SUEDE 184

Size 9 F

Oxfords
BEAULIEU DARK OAK 82
HYTHE BURNT PINE 888
CANTERBURY BLACK 808
FAWSLEY BLACK 888
ISHAM BLACK 82

Derbys
ELMSLEY BURNT PINE 606 (Ridgeway rubber sole)
MONMOUTH DARK OAK WILLOW 202
SPEY BLACK 202

Monks
WESTMINSTER DARK OAK WILLOW 888
FALMOUTH BLACK 808

Casuals
BAMFORD BLACK 184
BELGRAVIA MINK SUEDE 184
MONTPELLIER BLACK 184

Boots
BANBURY BROWN SUEDE 202 (£310.00 tax-free)


Size 9 ½ Sale Shoes


Size 9 ½ D

Oxfords
CADOGAN CHESTNUT 202
FAWSLEY BLACK 888
BEAULIEU DARK OAK 82

Monks
TROON CHESTNUT 202

Casuals
MONTPELLIER BLACK 184 (2 PAIRS)


Size 9 ½ E

Oxfords
FAWSLEY BURNT PINE 606
FAWSLEY BLACK 888
ISHAM BLACK 82
CANTERBURY BLACK 808
HYTHE BURNT PINE 888
CHELSEA DARK OAK 82
BEAULIEU DARK OAK 82

Derbys
HOLBORN DARK OAK 606
ECTON CHESTNUT 888
HOLBORN BLACK 606
ELMSLEY BURNT PINE 606 (Ridgeway rubber sole)
SPEY BLACK 202

Monks
FALMOUTH DAMSON ANILINE 202
ASHBY BURNT PINE 606
WESTMINSTER DARK OAK WILLOW 888

Casuals
MONTPELLIER BLACK 184
BELGRAVIA FOX SUEDE 184

Boots
BANBURY WALNUT COUNTRY CALF 202 (£310.00 tax-free)

9 ½ F

Oxfords
HYTHE BURNT PINE 888
BEAULIEU DARK OAK 82
FAWSLEY BLACK 888
ISHAM BLACK 82

Derbys
ELMSLEY BURNT PINE 606 (Ridgeway rubber sole)
SPEY BLACK 202

Monks
WESTMINSTER DARK OAK WILLOW 888

I also haven't had any reply from them. Anyone got a list of 11+11.5?

Originally Posted by teddieriley

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Supposedly. It's comparable, although UK E, IMO is slightly wider than a US D., but perhaps not by much. But I would *not* go for a UK D, because that would be narrower than a US D.
I once clarified this with Hilary and she said their US D for RLPL is the equivalent of their UK D. We were discussing Mackays at the time.

The conversation arose when I said that I had acquired a pair of Malverns in the 202 last one full size smaller than my US RLPL size in an 888 D-width. However, the Malverns were in the F width.

I said that I had assumed their RLPL D was their UK E width, so I figured the F width would be perfect for me if I sized down one full size from my US size.

Hilary was aghast and e-mailed that D equals D, and immediately took down the last numbers so she could send me a pair of full-length socks to compensate. The too-wide Malverns are, incidentally, one of my most comfortable pairs now.

I think other staff members, however, will say that their RLPL D equals their UK E, especially if you have a high instep. I'm afraid I haven't tested Hilary's theory beyond the above Malverns.