Is the end for the tie ?

Originally Posted by lakewolf

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Is the end for the tie ?

Well he is a journalist and they are usually more interested in gripping people with some form of shock than getting it right.

I know that in England BBC News audiences send in complaints whenever anchors do not wear ties. It is considered insulting when someone on TV goes into an Englishman's home an isn't dressed properly.

Ties costing as much as suits? There's an interesting glimpse into the journalist's view of tailored clothes.

Until you see important people on TV not wearing ties and suits to deliver important messagess, i wouldnt worry about it. Actually, it looks like the swing is in the other direction because a lot of people want to look smart and unique and one way to do that is to elect to wear a suit and tie rather than be required to.

Nah. It's not the end. Business dress is still business dress, and at least in the US, the tie has its place. I think a suit looks better with a tie, than without.

Jon.

I don't think so.
I do agree that we are seeing a shift of fashion that was traditionally worn with a tie, worn without, but ties are so incredible in the sense of their design. I think you can learn a lot about a person from the tie they choose.

The tie's not going anywhere.

There have always been the cool boho artists and writers who have never worn ties. One of my favourite memories of Harold Pinter is his refusing to wear a tie at the Reform Club at a party in their 18th-century library, and the staff thinking twice about approaching him. On another occasion he declined to have lunch at another stuffy gentleman's club for the very reason of the constrictive tie. Actually, what he said was: "**** them, let's go somewhere else."

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Actually, not wearing a tie doesn't make you a hardass. Plenty of men who have a lot more "boho" cred, to my mind, than Pinter wear or wore ties:

Originally Posted by Film Noir Buff

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Well he is a journalist and they are usually more interested in gripping people with some form of shock than getting it right.

I know that in England BBC News audiences send in complaints whenever anchors do not wear ties. It is considered insulting when someone on TV goes into an Englishman's home an isn't dressed properly.

Ties costing as much as suits? There's an interesting glimpse into the journalist's view of tailored clothes.

Until you see important people on TV not wearing ties and suits to deliver important messagess, i wouldnt worry about it. Actually, it looks like the swing is in the other direction because a lot of people want to look smart and unique and one way to do that is to elect to wear a suit and tie rather than be required to.

Well said.
Personally, I'm not a fan of business casual.
I believe you act in the manner of your dress and I hope that we make our way back toward the era of dressing "up" rather than "down".

Hi folks,
Interesting post, & here's my .02 cents worth.
I don't think we'll see the death of the tie.
I am so over "business casual", which I think the end result of which really did nothing more than add to the confusion of what one is supposed to wear in the workplace. It's such an abused term.
I live in a bedroom community to Silicon Valley, which certainly is atypical compared to the rest of the country, however I do agree with the previous poster that most likely things will swing towards wearing a proper suit in mainstream America. If anything it makes life much simpler (feel free to add other reasons).
This post also reminds me that I've got two pairs of Bill's Khakis that I haven't washed with the tags still on them-I WANT to like them since I know they're made well, etc. For some reason there's a barrier (I'm a blue jeans guy when not working) that's difficult for me leap over. I keep thinking their "old mans pants" that my grandfather would of worn. Plus, I loathe baggy assed (especially anything pleated) pants, & yes I did seek out the more narrow fit but I'm tall & slender. Every situation that I can dream up where I'd wear those things, I can also see myself wearing jeans. Maybe I've been shell shocked by too many beer bellied dudes in shopping malls wearing super baggy pleated khaki trousers with worn out sneakers. Okay this is free association-I should end this post.
I did hear that Bill's are creating an M3 cut that has a more flattering cut.

Here we have a gay, drug-addicted, wealthy, gun-toting Bohemian who was very well-dressed.

Bah. Once David Cameron is elected prime minister this whole "the PM doesn't even wear ties!!!1!" thing will disappear and civil servants will have to follow suit.

The sartorial standards during the Clinton era for entering the Oval Office were notoriously lax, something that no president in the past would have countenanced. When Bush 43 came into office it became, once again, a rule that you didn't get into the OO without a suit, shirt and tie and I don't think that will change no matter who wins in 2008.

That said, I agree with Manton to a certain extent when he argued in the past that the suit would soon be a relic -- and by extension the tie as well. Fecking Boomers...

I'm noticing in our business dress clothing we are selling more. People are finally over the whole business casual thing as they see that it does not work. We are even seeing some people in the techonology field come in and buy suits and ties for work finally.

I saw on Yahoo a day or two ago a Canadian politician was advocating for a summer of business casual dress. Didn't read the article but just the title.

The tie is not going to die. The question is, what percentage of the population will wear it. We are well into a pretty postmodern world. Style is a total hodge-podge of recycled elements from the past and new innovations. The tie can slip into all kinds of social situations and do well.

The key fact about life today is the massive population. There's 300 million people in the US. There was 130 million in 1940. If one-third of all men wore a tie once a week in 1940 (the majority of workers in 1940 worked on farms, I think), that's about 20 million tie-wearers in 1940. If fifteen percent of men wear a tie once a week today, that's about 20 million tie-wearers in 2007.

Ties may be worn by a smaller and smaller percentage of men, but the overall number of tie-wearing men is likely to stay large and healthy just because of population growth. All you need to keep anything going is a large-enough group of people still doing it.

The US is only one country in the world, I know, but I cite it as an example. And I pulled the percent of tie wearing people out of ******.

The meaning of ties will change and continue to change. There will probably never be another day when a very high percentage of all the upper-class men in ties, but there will always be plenty of men wearing ties ... in our lifetimes at least.

One last thing ... full dress, suits and ties, etc., are definitely coming back into fashion in the US. I think we are seeing a short-term uptick in all that. Whether or not it's the return to the old or a new short-lived thing ... I dunno.