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post #31 of 53
I have zero problem with the bowler. That being said I would not wear one, but that's just me. If I saw a guy wearing one and it was working on him I would give him a nod and compliment the hat.
post #32 of 53
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Originally Posted by CTLION View Post

I have zero problem with the bowler. That being said I would not wear one, but that's just me. If I saw a guy wearing one and it was working on him I would give him a nod and compliment the hat.


Great attitude. :fonz:

 

ok, so mr claymore's lawn furniture is over the top. but if he wore grey pants- it would be "Approved".

still love that he actually posts what he wears, and wears it like a boss.

post #33 of 53
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Originally Posted by size 38R View Post


 
Bowlers are indeed SEMI-formal, and lend themselves to being worn daily, - by anyone who could afford one. and some would have a "better one" for special occasions and church etc.
but even back then, if a man came into a bit of money, he would buy a better hat, and wear it.


Flying monkey,  i reply to the o.p, he can take it or leave it,   you can reply to the o.p. he can take it or leave it.  -  but trying to correct others(including me) while talking complete nonsense just pisses me off, and makes you look like you know absolutely nothing of mens clothing. period.

and for someone who lives in Tokyo, you should know better. or do you simply lie to be more SF "Approved"?.  Bowlers are a staple in japanese contemporary mens fashion.
along with other types of hats. then you might argue "but sf isn't japanese", or some other drivel. this is the internet, fashion is world-wide. sf is world-wide. and trends evolve constantly,around the world. and right now, hats are IN. bowlers are the best you can get, and still give a sophisticated impression.  if you knew what you are talking about, we wouldn't be having this discussion in a thread intended to help answer a question with multiple valid opinions.  - but you are right?, and other members wearing something you don't wear is wrong?????   =epic palmface.

btw, i wore a bowler today, i have 2.   the o.p is welcome to disregard my thoughts. but you have no right to profess yourself as the authority on what others should wear, or suggest.
edit: to continually have this type of B.S. is a shame, because i simply said to the o.p. i like them, if you like them, wear one.  but you had to take it this route again. shame on you. your attitude, and your lack of knowledge.


Without wishing to get involved in a war of words, I've really got to reply to the bolded part.

I've lived in Japan, I've been travelling to Japan at least once or twice a year for the past two decades, and I pay a lot of attention to men's fashion when I'm there.

Whilst I'm not as aware of what young men are wearing nowadays, I still see a lot of younger fashion around Harajuku/Aoyama/Yoyogi/Shibuya/Shinjuku and so on when I'm in Tokyo.

I can quite honestly say that I have never seen anyone wearing a bowler hat in Tokyo. Now, I'm quite happy to admit that perhaps there just weren't people wearing them on the days that I was there but that they're worn at other times but I nonetheless don't think that's particularly likely.

Also, I can't ever recall having seen a bowler hat featured in Men's Ex, Uomo, Leon, or any other of the myriad of magazines featuring men's clothing that are published in Japan.

It's entirely possible that there are a couple of eccentrics strolling around Tokyo wearing bowler hats, and they may have been featured on a website here or there, but to construe that as meaning that "bowlers are a staple in Japanese contemporary men's fashion" is simply incorrect. If they were a staple, they'd be common, and they clearly are not.

Accusing FM of lying when he stated that wearing a bowler would be unusual is not only incorrect, it's also very rude.

As FM said, people can wear bowler hats if they want, but they've got to realise that they may well look rather "costumey" and anachronistic if they do so. That's not wrong, it's not lying, it's not drivel - it's an accurate observation.

Edited to add: I just asked my wife (who was born and raised in Tokyo) if bowler hats were a staple of Japanese men's fashion and she laughed out loud.
post #34 of 53
Thread Starter 
Interesting turn this humble thread has taken.
post #35 of 53

perhaps i should correct my grammatical error, HATS are a staple of japanese men's fashion, and bowlers are considered a legitimate addition to any regular fit. i use Takeo Kikuci as my prime example of how they are currently undergoing a resurgence. and have found their way in to the modern realms of men's fashion.

 

i'm not sure how long ago you were in japan, or the particular environment you were in.  but i have some very fashionable friends who wear stuff even i might think a little eccentric.   what you may see people wearing to and from work does not give you a hint on what their "True" style is.  this is something i am sure FM is aware of.  and i challenge him not to fight, but to encourage him to share more of the more "Experimental" or "ground-breaking" trends and styles that can be seen in japan.  and some of them are truly worth paying attention to.  especially those who incorporate traditional clothing in to their fits.

 

perhaps Flying monkey and i could co host a thread posting fits of people we think have an interesting and outstanding personal sense of style? 

  - which i think would produce some good fruit.:D

 

-  for what it's worth, i own and run a business in japan,(not a teacher) and my friends are varied from Military,to Business, to fashion industry, to musicians. so they all dress different, when we get together? it's great!

hats can be seen worn (including bowlers). and  daily on tv, with them being a part of many a celebrity's personal wardrobe.

  the best example is Mr Terry Ito: i love his style, and confident attitude. see below.

 

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I like how he doesn't give a f#*K , he just owns it.   also, Takeo Kikuchi is one of Japan's biggest designers, himself wearing hats, and in his collections they are featured, in my local T.K store, their Bowler hats sold out before i could get one.  (so i got a Lock&co)


while not a Bowler, he does make and sell them.

here are some more pics of styles that include hats, particularly Bowlers.

^^From a T.K collection.    and  some other examples...

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while not intended to all be fantastic examples, they do illustrate the various sub-genres of fashion that Hats have become a solid part of. from "Dandy's" to "Rockers"  and many others.   they cross over between CM, and SW&D .  while here there can sometimes be no distinction between the two.  i have 6 hats right now, and would like to get a brown Homburg to add another choice.   Lastly, Japan's most infamous Hat wearer, 

Japan's Finance Minister / Deputy Prime minister.  Tarou Aso :


at All levels of society, Hats rule. whatever the hat, whatever your genre.  they are a staple, -Bowlers included.

post #36 of 53
Bowlers are not a bloody staple item in the modern age - please stop posting.
post #37 of 53

Late to the thread?   pay attention, you might learn about men's fashion. 

as you might notice from the pics i posted, they are from varied style genre's. and show the popularity of hats. (including Bowlers).

which are as staple as a tweed sportscoat.  on a friday or saturday night. walk on to a busy street in a bar district, you will see a Bowler or a Derby. and plenty of tweed.

i post what i have learned from experience, what i see, and also from being close to people in the the fashion industry.   you think you know?- because you live in italy?  :crackup:

 we are currently talking about hats in Japanese fashion . - a totally different universe. and more trend-setting. (well, that's my opinion) are they a staple in italy? no. england, i doubt it.

right now it is winter, and VERY cold, guys are searching for a suitable hat to wear with a coat and scarf. with Felt Bowlers, and Derby's gaining traction. though fedora's are still more prominent.

so if you simply need to claim the higher ground and slam another part of the worlds popular trends... please stop posting.


Edited by size 38R - 1/18/14 at 7:45am
post #38 of 53
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Originally Posted by size 38R View Post

Late to the thread?   pay attention, you might learn about men's fashion. 

i post what i have learned from experience, what i see, and also from being close to people in the the fashion industry.   you think you know?- because you live in italy?  crackup%5B1%5D.gif
 we are currently talking about hats in Japanese fashion . - a totally different universe. and more trend-setting. (well, that's my opinion)

so if you simply need to claim the higher ground and slam another part of the worlds popular trends... please stop posting.

No, i am not a late comer to the thread. If you scroll back you will see that I was the first person to answer the topic and that I do actually own a bowler hat although it remains unworn.

Will someone have a quiet word with this bloke, please? He's about the most irritating member on this site.
Edited by Ich_Dien - 1/18/14 at 7:41am
post #39 of 53

that's rather uncalled for,from someone who has only posted on this thread to add inflammation.

 

things can be true even if you do not believe it.  hats are here to stay, as am i.

to say  everybody must dress like "this" is not only narrow minded, but out of touch with upcoming trends.

however, i really enjoy the way trends are evolving. 

even if some others don't. the latest winter collections in the afore mentioned magazines feature hats prominently, including bowlers.

 

so while guys like Terry Ito, and Takeo Kikuchi, and others continue to influence popular Japanese fashions, i will follow the change, and embrace the new styles. wearing what makes me comfortable, and happy.   i recently wore my style in California for a week, and received only compliments.

we don't need to agree, this IS a forum. but you could contribute more. and talk trash less.

so a hat,tie,waistcoat and jeans?  sure, something different for you? whatever floats your boat. but i wouldn't go as far as to slam your style and/or influences.

 

and these are mine...

Junya Watanabe

 

Yohji Yamamoto

United Arrows..


and T.K.

^^ from the 2013/14  fall-winter lookbook.

pics of the shibuya store..


you don't need to like it. but it is what it is. most designers/companies here are going in this direction.  i guess you could call it "Classic SW&D??"  not sure, but it Blurs the definitions between CM and SW&D.  might not work for you, but it works for me.  try to be more understanding of others before dismissing things.

the o.p is welcome to choose what he likes. and i can too.


Edited by size 38R - 1/18/14 at 8:49am
post #40 of 53
@38R - if you correct your argument to state that hats (and not any sub-genre) are a staple, then you'd be slightly more accurate, but still only slightly.

Yes, celebrities like Terry wear a bowler hat on TV, and some other people wear hats, too. However, even in Japan you'd be hard-pressed to say that hats are a staple of men's clothing. Even though some people wear hats, many, many more people don't. Have a look at Shinjuku or Ikebukuro station in the morning and you'd be lucky to see more than a few men wearing hats, despite the millions of people who pour through the station every day.

Even though a few tarento might wear one, and even though the appear in some fashion campaigns, doesn't mean that bowler hats are in any way a staple.

After I posted earlier, I remembered that I have seen one man wearing a bowler hat in Tokyo - it was in Yoyogi Park one weekend and he was also wearing a pair of baggy, drop-crotch trousers, an assymetrically cut jacket, had dyed hair, and platform shoes made from patent leather with large, crepe soles. Not exactly your run-of-the-mill person that you see on the street every day (even in Tokyo).

As has already been said, the above comments don't mean that people aren't free to wear them. People are free to wear what they please - there's a bloke who posts on this site occasionally who regularly wears vintage top hats along with a full dinner suit rig when he goes out - and I think that hats look good and I have a few of them, including panama and fedora styles.

However, along with wearing spats or button boots, I think that bowler hats are so rare nowadays that unless you work in the City of London and carry a tightly furled umbrella to work whilst wearing a pinstripe suit and black captoe balmoral shoes, you'd look too "costumey" if you wore a bowler hat and the above images that you've posted just reinforce that impression for me as the ones featuring bowler hats are either of tarento or of fashion models who are wearing the clothes in an advertising campaign.
post #41 of 53
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Originally Posted by Ich_Dien View Post

He's about the most irritating member on this site.

That's what the block feature is for. Use it. I do.
post #42 of 53
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Originally Posted by size 38R View Post
 

perhaps i should correct my grammatical error, HATS are a staple of japanese men's fashion

 

That's not a grammatical error, that's a different statement. You have now changed your argument and yet you are still attacking everyone without any apparent sense of self-reflection or shame, let alone a real apology. I can only conclude that if you are not malicious, perhaps you just aren't intelligent or patient enough to understand the substance of discussions, but you certainly seem to have some issues with self-control and manners. 

 

I gave you a chance but it's time for the block list again.

post #43 of 53

The difference between attacking and defending is dependent on who throws the first stone. i post pics to back up any statements made. the trends are changing, same as we went from thin lapels to fat lapels and back again.    -hats are a staple, including bowlers. which also makes them a staple. even if more so in sw&d.

 

 

FM, shame that. i pm'd you with a full apology. and an introduction. in the hopes of getting on level ground with each other. being so close, and with similar interests. we should get along well in  the real world.

post #44 of 53

I don't think the problem is with having enough intelligence or understanding - rather, it's a mixture of narcissism, arrogance and enough intelligence to delude himself in the righteousness of his convictions. This entire thread he has been doing nothing except to attack imagined strawmen and phantoms instead of providing relevant counters to what anyone has actually said, not because he doesn't understand it (I find people here particularly lucid), but rather because he fancies himself as the lone light of nonconformist fashion riding against the oppressors of the CM forum. Thus, there is an inherent need to stand up to the man, no matter what the man is actually saying. There is no need to argue against this type of person - whatever you say, he will twist and misconstrue it so that he may continue the fight, instead of admitting that the iron-fisted CM dictators might have actually had a point.

post #45 of 53
To be fair I just thin 38R is missing the point of the word "Classic" in the title of the forum. Yes the overall forum is called Styleforum however this particular forum is for discussing styles that pre-date the internet rather than the latest fad
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