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post #16 of 53
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Originally Posted by FlyingMonkey View Post
 

@size 38R, no-one here has made a general argument against hats. All that has been pointed out by several people is the bowler hat has not survived the test of time in the way that other particular hats have. Indeed gentlemen's hats in general have had a tough time, but the bowler (derby, coke hat, whatever you call it) has been in particular consigned to history.

 

It's far from the only hat that would now look anachronistic - tricorns, top hats outside of very particular contexts and especially stove pipe hats, very tall-crowned fedoras... all of these come across as out-of-time. Less extravagent fedoras, trilby hats, homburgs and stetsons all have their place, albeit a smaller place than they used to have, and almost no gentleman's hat is now a requirement or an expectation, except for top hats at formal weddings or other very traditionally formal occasions, such as being given an award by the Queen. On the other hand, working men's caps, sports caps and other informal hats are still everywhere... although even some of these look more anachronistic than others.

 

I'm sorry you don't like being told this - indeed, you don't seem to like being told anything - but just because you protest or attack the messenger, it does not make the message less true. And no-one is saying you can't wear them, but you will have to put up with the fact that you will look costumey and anachronistic. As to whether you mind that or not, that is indeed up to you... Mr Claymore clearly doesn't mind and good for him - but he's also not denying the general argument that bowlers are no longer a widely current item of headwear.

^^  if you are gonna selectively quote to put forward an argument, do it properly.

 

and this quote is from a man who posted a fit wearing a top hat. -dressed as dracula.  :tounge: 

- in an attempt to show me how to dress better. it was epic.

post #17 of 53
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Originally Posted by size 38R View Post
 

^^  if you are gonna selectively quote to put forward an argument, do it properly.

 

and this quote is from a man who posted a fit wearing a top hat. -dressed as dracula.  :tounge: 

- in an attempt to show me how to dress better. it was epic.


Those are all undisputed facts and/or generalised observations. Nothing to do with "what others should wear".

This kind of piss-poor word-twisting reeks of Reddit. Off with you, maybe come back in a few years time when you actually know what an argument based on logic is *doffs fedora*.

post #18 of 53
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Originally Posted by size 38R View Post


and this quote is from a man who posted a fit wearing a top hat. -dressed as dracula.  tounge.gif  
- in an attempt to show me how to dress better. it was epic.

It was indeed epic, and ironically your mention of it serves to prove not just one but two of my points here very nicely, one about you not paying attention and the other, the major point about anachronism. Do you remember why I posted that COSTUME and what I said about it? The clue is in capitals, in case you have trouble...teacha.gif

Edit: I've just read your previous rather bizarre, rude and ranting reply. I hope you might at some point realise that are getting very confused about a lot of things and to think a bit before you post, because too often your replies make you look both foolish and nasty, and I am sure you are neither.
Edited by FlyingMonkey - 1/14/14 at 5:31am
post #19 of 53

my point is: if you are gonna pretend to be an expert,(not you personally)- at least have something useful to contribute. instead of ridiculing other's taste. and calling them whatever term is the longest you can find.  declaring something "Wrong" because you don't have the balls to wear it???

i won't just say nothing, this is a STYLE  FORUM.= wear and share. but don't clain to be a pro, and knock others.

 

 i don't mean to personally insult, but i am strongly insulted by the negativity that happens everytime somebody is adventurous enough to make their own choices. or ask for ideas regarding possible choices. as you know, if we all wore the same thing, there would be no style in this forum. and it is getting very close to that.

 

  as i posted in another thread:. I can reply to the o.p- he can take it or leave it.   YOU can reply to the o.p, he can take it or leave it. - BUT to argue with other opinions, claiming you are right, and others are wrong?????  

-for F#@Ks sake, let the o.p decide what he likes. and let him assess all of the opinions making a choice on what to wear.

 

i have not seen you post anything useful or helpful, just "That's crap" and "that's wrong".   this is not helping anybody, try to help others. and then i won't need to argue with you everytime you declare my thoughts "not approved".

my style suits my surroundings, i assume yours do too.

But seriously, stop pretending to be "Approved"!!!!  rock your style.enjoy your clothes. help others enjoy.

the BUBBLE of sf is small, and narrow minded. and out of fashion.  shed some light in the darkness, bring in the style!!!!!!!!  

i believe you can, that's why i am so pissed off with you for being such a downer. if you know your stuff, show us what you got!

 -quit hiding for fear of seeming adventurous . you see so much great looks that belong here. showing the stuffy types how it's done.

eg: since when was your maths teacher a style god???????   so many ugly fits dominate, "groupthink" outweighs personal preferance. usurping whatever style one once had.    you can help with this.

 

i will continue to try to help the new guys, and help others have the courage to wear what they like, so they can in turn contribute style to this forum. i am here, to promote the sharing of various styles,trends, and personal tastes. however many nay-sayers i need to argue with.

 

end rant.

post #20 of 53
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Originally Posted by size 38R View Post
 

my point is: if you are gonna pretend to be an expert,(not you personally)- 

 

Seriously?

 

And my point was that there are a number of reasons a Bowler will stand out, and a few connotations it may have to some people.  At no point did I say he should, or should not, wear the hat. What he does with that, and whether he thinks it has any validity is up to him.

 

This is a discussion forum; I discussed the hat in question.  And, either you don't read my posts, you have me confused with someone else, or you don't actually read my posts.

post #21 of 53

ITG, I wasn't talking to you. - or about anyone in particular.  read the whole post and see if you are in there......

 

. if you read from the 3rd paragraph, i was asking FM to be more open about what he knows style to be, instead of nodding when conservatives talk down on individuality.

and in the quote highlighted at the top of the page, the points, and language i objected to are in bold.

post #22 of 53
Being unafraid of being an anachronism, I do have a very good reason why I do not wear a bowler hat - simply that I look like crap in them, whereas I do own and wear a homburg, which is nearly a great an anachronism as is a bowler.
post #23 of 53
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Originally Posted by upr_crust View Post

Being unafraid of being an anachronism, I do have a very good reason why I do not wear a bowler hat - simply that I look like crap in them, whereas I do own and wear a homburg, which is nearly a great an anachronism as is a bowler.

cool attitude, and explanation. i don't have a homburg, but look great in a bowler. each to their own. - just love that you posted a valid argument without saying others would look crap.

(or anything negative at all)

props.:fonz:

 

we can each wear a hat, and say...

and enjoy our hats.

post #24 of 53
I can't comment on what's current in Japan or Australia, but I will say that wearing a bowler/derby/coke in the States (or at least my region of same) would come across as ultra-eccentric unless it was clearly being worn as costume (e.g., at a SASS event, some sort of "Old West Days" or "Gay Nineties' party). Many people cannot tell the difference between a homburg and a derby, and so I fear the homburg also falls into the province of eccentric headgear (even though I've got a couple of decent ones).

The fedora when worn as functional outdoor wear is okay. Worn with a suit, it skates on the edge of costume.

But then, in a broader sense, aren't well all costumed players on the Great Stage of Life?
post #25 of 53
Costume? Eccentric???




(boy are those pictures old...)


Actually, I just came into this thread again looking for a little commiseration. My other bowler was accidentally sat upon and now needs to be reblocked. That is all.
post #26 of 53
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Originally Posted by size 38R View Post
 

my point is: rant.

 

You could have just left it at this because you clearly have not bothered to either read properly or understood and thought about what anyone has said in this thread (or elsewhere). You clearly can't have done if you think I'm 'conservative' or some hidebound representative of the SF mainstream! That's just too funny.

 

I will repeat:

 

No-one has told anyone else they can't do anything or wear anything they like.

 

No-one has told anyone that they should not have personal style.

 

The only advice that has been offered is to tell people honestly and openly the general state of things and what kind of impression will be created if they do 'X' or 'Y'. That information (which is more than just opinion) can be used by people to make their own decisions. Just saying: 'anything goes' doesn't actually help anyone or answer their questions.

 

I took you off my block list because you don't seem such a bad guy, but you are seriously testing my patience...


Edited by FlyingMonkey - 1/16/14 at 8:58pm
post #27 of 53

Personally, I'm not a fan of the bowlers. I prefer the Fedora. I like to be slightly more modern in my dress than the style of the bowler.

 

Regards,

Abraham

post #28 of 53
If you truly don't care what anyone thinks, the you can wear whatever you feel like whenever you want. But if that's the case, you wouldn't be asking for opinions.

Bowler hats look costumey.
post #29 of 53
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Originally Posted by Mr. Claymore View Post

Costume? Eccentric???




(boy are those pictures old...)


Actually, I just came into this thread again looking for a little commiseration. My other bowler was accidentally sat upon and now needs to be reblocked. That is all.


I would use the word "Awesome".       you are clearly a man with good taste. ( a minority here).  keep up the good work.    Quality items worn well never loook like a costume. and a costume is to dress unlike yourself, when you are being yourself? it's obviously not a costume.

post #30 of 53
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Originally Posted by Mr. Claymore View Post

Costume? Eccentric???




(boy are those pictures old...)


Actually, I just came into this thread again looking for a little commiseration. My other bowler was accidentally sat upon and now needs to be reblocked. That is all.

"Costume? Eccentric?" Hell, yes. Even without the bowler, you look as if you are trying awfully hard, but the lid puts it way over the top!
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