Originally Posted by Tomasso
Do you really think that if by chance I have poorly fitted clothing that it would in some way mitigate your poorly fitted clothing.
A real gem, even by your standards.
No, I think what ed is saying is that it's a bit rich for Internet cowboys to pick every possible nit of every photo they see when they don't have the balls to post their own stuff to show how it's supposed to be done; or, when they do muster up the courage, they prefer to post their stuff on hangers, or even laying flat on a table. Especially rich are those cowboys who think they can, from one awkwardly posed picture, better determine how a garment fits than the owner who has actually worn it a number of times. Happily, we have an example of that near at hand:
Originally Posted by lakewolf
This picture posted by Manton do looks badly fitted IMO, you could tell his real shoulder ends where the arrow is and the shoulder extends past that point... maybe it is just the way he is holding the Camera.
Lakewolf, this may come as news to you, but most human shoulders are not perfect right angles; they are complex curves. Hence there is no strict point at which the shoulder ends and the arm begins. About the best we can do is say that the shoulder is definitely over at the widest point of the deltoid muscle. Certainly, if a coat's shoulders are so narrow that the delt bulges out of the upper sleeve, the coat is too small.
"Too big" is harder to say, because of the phenomenon known as "extension." Matt's Rubinacci jackets are extended well past the point where they would need to end merely to ensure that his delts do not bulge. Does that make them "poorly fitted"? I don't think so. This is but another example of another message board habit, that of assuming that one's own stylistic preferences determine proper fit in every instance. You may not like extension -- after flirting with it for many years, I determined that I don't either -- but it's a mistake to characterize it as improper fit.
However, in the case of my jacket, you are simply wrong: the shoulders are not extended at all. What may give you that impression is the ripple where the "drape" terminates at the armscye. "Drape" is another one of those things that message board supercritics mistake with fit. It's a stylistic choice. Like or not, it has nothing to do with fit.