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What if I told you that JCM is taller than Murl?

 

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Originally Posted by UrbanComposition View Post

As an man of average height, the only thing I really notice on less-than-average height people in real life is that their eyes are lower than mine. Sometimes I can see a birthmark on their scalp.

Clearly they just need something that can raise their eye level.

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Tweed periscopes.

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i just had suspender buttons added to one of my suits and I'm wearing it that way for the first time. The waist was already a hair large on me, which I assumed was important for the trousers to hang properly, but I find that standing up or moving in certain ways causes my shirt to bunch up directly above the waistband. Should trousers worn with suspenders be significantly looser than those worn with a belt/side tabs? Is it normally possible to wear 'suspendered" trousers without the suspenders and have them remain generally in place?

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You need shirt suspenders.

 

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"My arms don't have full range of motion, but my shirt is like the Rock of Gibraltar!"

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Originally Posted by venividivicibj View Post

You need shirt suspenders.

Funniest about this is that they call it a "simple solution".

@Murlsquirl can tell you how comfortable it is. smile.gif
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Incidentally,for the most part, CMs suggestions describe the Jcrew Ludlow cut.
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Originally Posted by flvinny521 View Post

i just had suspender buttons added to one of my suits and I'm wearing it that way for the first time. The waist was already a hair large on me, which I assumed was important for the trousers to hang properly, but I find that standing up or moving in certain ways causes my shirt to bunch up directly above the waistband. Should trousers worn with suspenders be significantly looser than those worn with a belt/side tabs? Is it normally possible to wear 'suspendered" trousers without the suspenders and have them remain generally in place?

Does the waistband sit at your natural waist (belly button-ish)? If not, that's likely the cause of this. If so, then the waist might be a bit too large, but the pants should be hanging from the suspenders, not cinched around your waist.
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The idea of actually trying to move naturally with those shirt suspenders makes me cringe.

God forbid I have to reach anything above eye level lol...id be screwed.
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Originally Posted by venividivicibj View Post
 

You need shirt suspenders.

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And now I can buy cheaper, mid-calf socks as well! Unexpected bonus! Do I get extra thumbs in WAYWRN for multiple pairs of suspenders worn simultaneously?

 

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Originally Posted by sugarbutch View Post


Does the waistband sit at your natural waist (belly button-ish)? If not, that's likely the cause of this. If so, then the waist might be a bit too large, but the pants should be hanging from the suspenders, not cinched around your waist.

 

I'll take some pics next time I wear them, both with and without suspenders. The drape is significantly improved and they definitely sit higher with the suspenders, but maybe not exactly at the natural waist. The waist is certainly not tight enough for me to call it "cinched," but also not so loose that they would fall if I weren't wearing a belt or suspenders at all.

 

I'm trying to tailor this to a near-ideal state so I can use them as a template for future suits/trousers.

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Originally Posted by Coxsackie View Post

Ah, this is great. Some really trenchant positions being taken here. And about clothes 'n shit, too.

Agreed. Now that the conversation is over I wanted to chime in to say I'm happy to have provided fodder for discussion. As Caustic said, I'm sensitive of my hight but not about it, and I wouldn't be posting full shots on SF if I didn't expect them to be used in this way.
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Originally Posted by Caustic Man View Post


In any case, shorter jackets are always a good choice. 

He should be looking to slim the appearance of his legs at every opportunity.

Everyone who commented brought some accurate insight to the table; too many to quote so I'll only touch on a few things.

First, all of us who regularly post pictures know they have a way of accentuating things that are barely perceptible in real life. Go to a meetup and you'll hardly notice any fit issues, nor will anyone look as amazing as the perfectly-timed photo. And as @edmorel alluded to in WAYWRN in regards to @justinkapur's real-life shot, the robo-pose may be the most useful for fit critique in this setting but it doesn't tell a huge part of the story and is rarely how someone is seen in a real setting.

Still, we can't see ourselves in 3D, so we're left to make adjustments as best we can from pictures, and the only two fit points I really wanted to circle back to as they relate to me are the jacket length and trouser width. As I've mentioned several times in various threads, my shape at the hips/rear is such that a shorter jacket doesn't cover my seat and in my eyes causes a pear-shaped stumpiness such that a longer jacket is preferable to me at this point. As long as the example you used? Probably not. But it was worthwhile to try it out to test the limit on that end of the spectrum. Similarly, while I agree that slimming the appearance of my legs sounds all fine and dandy, that equation is not one I've found to balance out by actually wearing slimmer pants. So right now I'm going wider (with cuffs as I like the extra weight and look of them) and will likely again hit an outer limit where I'll adjust back to a happy, though certainly still compromised to a degree, medium.

Until then, masochism or not, I like my clothes and will continue wearing them.
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What a remarkably stupid thing to say.
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Originally Posted by Caustic Man View Post

Of course I didn't call you stupid.

I've always liked you, CM. I believe you serve an important function on SF, which has been said several times, likely to the inflation of your already bursting-at-the-seams ego. But in my opinion, you need to cut this kind of shit out. These nuances in language you think are apparent in your arguments are a huge stretch, typically stated in perpetuity, and act only as further ad hominem. It's alpha noise and you can do better.

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While I'm in an advice-soliciting mood, can anybody comment on the fit pic I posted in the tailor thread?

 

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I've spoilered some pictures of a Spier & Mackay MTM shirt. This is after a full workday, so it's a bit wrinkled, but also settled into how the shirt generally looks throughout the day.

 

I feel that, while the neck size is accurate, or maybe even too large (I can fit four fingers between the collar and my neck), my actual neck is further back than the shirt's neck, causing it to feel tight. I'm also a shorter guy at around 5'7", and it seems like the neckband is too tall on me, going past the hairline in back. Could the collar be moved back and down? Also, thought on the appropriateness of this collar for my stature?

 

The chest, waist and bottom are slightly snug only when seated, causing a very slight amount of pulling. The length of the shirt could stand to be a bit longer to prevent the shirt from becoming untucked. The shirt does not fall cleanly from my chest to my midsection. Will increasing the midsection to reduce the taper accomplish anything here?

 

The shoulders were corrected for sloping and forward posture. It looks like they may need further adjustment. Both sleeves seem slightly long: the left cuff can't be taken in much more because I'm wearing a watch and only two fingers fit between the watch and shirt, but I can fit four fingers in the right cuff before it is snug, so maybe the length should remain and the cuff circumference should be reduced.

 

Any comments on my thoughts or recommendations?


 

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post #36734 of 37663

jcm, you're a good sport.

 

No question, CM can be a douche from time to time. And yes, this thread is supposed to be "good natured". But not at the expense of a vigorous exchange of opinion.

 

It's when people really dig in and start defending their positions that onlookers such as myself can learn something.

 

I like the fact that CM speaks up and states a point of view and is prepared to argue it.

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Originally Posted by Coxsackie View Post
[...]  And yes, this thread is supposed to be "good natured". But not at the expense of a vigorous exchange of opinion.

 

It's when people really dig in and start defending their positions that onlookers such as myself can learn something.

 

[...]

 

Opinions can be exchanged civilly and intelligently.    It’s not hard:   academics do it every day, in the classroom and in print.

 

Cheers,

 

Ac

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