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Originally Posted by BespokeBrooklyn View Post

Here's a photo. I have a chino suit of theirs that fits me very well, so I'm more concerned about the value and level of formality than about fit.
 

In terms of value, sub-$600 for Golden Fleece sounds quite reasonable if it fits you well.  If it doesn't, the value proposition is nonexistent. 

 

In terms of formality, pinstripes aren't a great choice for weddings in my book; in fact, though they're a dime a dozen in CBD settings, that's about the only situation where they shine.  Wider chalkstripes can function well in more casual contexts. 

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I've never heard the words "spot-on" in used in the context of describing the Madison cut.  Before you buy, I suggest you post some pictures as the Madison is cut like a tent with really low arm holes.  Did you try on Regent?
I have a blazer in the Madison cut and really like it. I would not call the arm holes low at all. I did have the waist taken in a bit.
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@flvinny521 The Madison fit is fine. It's just their fullest cut. Obviously you will have to get it tailored, like almost every other piece of OTR clothing in the world, however the loose hanging drape is something I look for. As for HSM, the only question I would ask is did you like the fit? Forget the rhetoric and focus on good fabrics, finding the fit you want, and quality construction. Here is one of my Madison fit SCs. It's a 40R with the waist taken in a bit. I'm 6-1 170 lbs. Relaxed, yes. Tent-like, no.

 

 

 

Well, the one I tried on that fit best, that I believe to be a Madison 41S, was actually not all that relaxed. The saleswoman asked the tailor to come take a look and we agreed that we probably wouldn't have had the waist taken in at all. In fact, there was a good taper. I'm not a large guy, only about 5'7" and 185, but maybe my stockiness was enough to fill it out better. Anyway, I'm definitely making another solo trip, as that mall has a lot of higher end stores that I could use to nail down a few makers that work for me.

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The Madison fit, extra long fits me really well.  I'm 6'5", 220, and relatively athletic (not as much so as I used to be), and the other cuts are too slim for me in the thighs and seat.  My jacket had to be taken in a half-inch or inch, but otherwise its pretty good.  I don't know what guys heavier-set than I am wear.  Pleated pants with the Madison jacket?

 

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Originally Posted by flvinny521 View Post
 

 

Well, the one I tried on that fit best, that I believe to be a Madison 41S, was actually not all that relaxed. The saleswoman asked the tailor to come take a look and we agreed that we probably wouldn't have had the waist taken in at all. In fact, there was a good taper. I'm not a large guy, only about 5'7" and 185, but maybe my stockiness was enough to fill it out better. Anyway, I'm definitely making another solo trip, as that mall has a lot of higher end stores that I could use to nail down a few makers that work for me.

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Originally Posted by BespokeBrooklyn View Post

Here's a photo. I have a chino suit of theirs that fits me very well, so I'm more concerned about the value and level of formality than about fit.

Suits with very fine stripes are my favorite. The fine stripes you can discern only by a close look add to the material, giving it more depth. In the right colour, hue and material they always beat (generally speaking) "solid" coloured suits in finesse and elegance.

Now of course, the suit is one part of the whole picture, the other is the shirt, the tie and the shoes. Here lies an expense problem; you have to spend much more on those to match the suit and to bring it to its best. One badly matched piece is enough to look bad; a risk you don't run with less demanding suits.

The shirt and the tie on the picture above have already toned down the suit; add a champagne (colour) silk shirt, a nice very dark blue silk tie and you can go to any wedding; it would be an overkill for a court appearance.

For offices in general; in Europe we usually prefer washable items; suits are used, but they're not that popular anymore, since difficult to clean.  

 

The picture looks nice, how the material feels and looks in reality it's difficult to say. As an European I don't know the brand in question. 

What I don't like are the English suits with visible broad stripes; I find them horrible. 

A solid coloured suit is more versatile, since you can add a broader array of shirts and ties.

 

Speaking about the pictured suit; if it fits you and if the materials are good, I would certainly take it :) The price is extremely attractive and it looks great (on the photo). Also, I find it elegant. 

(minus the shirt). 


Edited by Nikolaus - 6/10/16 at 2:12am
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Bless my soul.
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Originally Posted by mimo View Post

Bless my soul.

you'll soon need a nurse ;) 

or an Italian high-end solid coloured silk blend suit; that is The absolute overkill. 

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Originally Posted by flvinny521 View Post
 

 

Well, the one I tried on that fit best, that I believe to be a Madison 41S, was actually not all that relaxed. The saleswoman asked the tailor to come take a look and we agreed that we probably wouldn't have had the waist taken in at all. In fact, there was a good taper. I'm not a large guy, only about 5'7" and 185, but maybe my stockiness was enough to fill it out better. Anyway, I'm definitely making another solo trip, as that mall has a lot of higher end stores that I could use to nail down a few makers that work for me.


You are 6 inches shorter than me and 15 pounds heavier, I wouldn't be surprised if you properly wore, at minimum, a 42S. Better to have something you can take in, rather than let out.

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Originally Posted by flvinny521 View Post
 

 

Well, the one I tried on that fit best, that I believe to be a Madison 41S, was actually not all that relaxed. The saleswoman asked the tailor to come take a look and we agreed that we probably wouldn't have had the waist taken in at all. In fact, there was a good taper. I'm not a large guy, only about 5'7" and 185, but maybe my stockiness was enough to fill it out better. Anyway, I'm definitely making another solo trip, as that mall has a lot of higher end stores that I could use to nail down a few makers that work for me.

 

Okay, the Madison may be a good choice for you based on your size.  Also all the posts from bigger guys commenting on how much they like the Madison cut is a good reminder there is no one size fits all guide. 

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I just realized Noodles's name is gone from the thread title. It's like he's a Pharaoh whose name was scratched out of a temple wall. 

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Originally Posted by New Shoes1 View Post

 is a good reminder there is no one size fits all guide. 

Even within the collection of the same manufacturer the suits can dress completely different, just because of minor sartorial modifications from model to model. If someone is slender and has long legs, it's not  critical; with other body proportions the difference can be rather big. 

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I just realized Noodles's name is gone from the thread title. It's like he's a Pharaoh whose name was scratched out of a temple wall. 

As someone who grew up in communist country, this was the first thing I noticed, as methodology has that totalitarian signature. Not only kill them, but send them to the oblivion.

The whole PC is a very Marxist thing.
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While I agree with the spirit of what you're saying I don't think the consequences of erasing Noodles's name are quite as bad as sending someone into oblivion. :D

 

The PC thing is very totalitarian, though. Whether that is Marxist or not I couldn't say.

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While I agree with the spirit of what you're saying I don't think the consequences of erasing Noodles's name are quite as bad as sending someone into oblivion. biggrin.gif

The PC thing is very totalitarian, though. Whether that is Marxist or not I couldn't say.

You mentioned Old Egypt, and since they didn't have Marxism, there you go... And no, Noodles was no hero of the free world 😂

But, Marxist ideologists* perfected the social constructionism, part of which is PC.

*BTW, funnily I am somewhat of a commie when it comes to some economic stuff, but today's western societies embraced some aspects of Marxism only to boost and protect liberal capitalism.
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But, Marxist ideologists* perfected the social constructionism, part of which is PC.

 

I wasn't sure what you meant by Marxism. In the academic sense Marxist is quite a different animal than political/social Marxism. That's not unusual though.

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