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Originally Posted by venividivicibj View Post

I've put on ~15 pounds over the past 6-7 months (started seriously lifting for first time since leaving college). Was up about 20-23lbs, then cut down 7 or so. Still need to cut another 5

Ouch, sounds like you "dreamer" bulked--a rookie mistake. Hopefully you can lose the excess fat without much struggle.

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Originally Posted by gs77 View Post

There is a big difference between adding some muscles and broadening the shoulders. No, he will not broaden shoulders. He might add some muscles. And I strongly believe basic exercise (run, swim, walk, play football, do pushups, pullups...) has better impact in terms of posture and structure. Gym is for teenagers.

So many posts already and no half naked photos. Hmmm, strange...

Huh? Adding upper body mass will absolutely broaden the shoulders. You can't lengthen the clavicles, of course, but adding size to the surrounding musculature will definitely broaden the shoulders. And the best way to add muscle mass is with a regimented barbell/dumbbell lifting routine, not merely random exercising.
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Originally Posted by llamaone View Post

Ouch, sounds like you "dreamer" bulked--a rookie mistake. Hopefully you can lose the excess fat without much struggle.
Huh? Adding upper body mass (i.e. muscle to the arms, shoulders, chest, back) will absolutely broaden the shoulders. You can't lengthen the clavicles, true, but adding mass to the surrounding musculature will absolutely succeed in broadening one's shoulders. And the best way to add muscle mass, without question, is with a regimented barbell/dumbbell compound lifting routine, not merely random exercising.

It's very hard to put muscles just where you want them. Chances are you'll end up looking ridiculous. No idea what is this regimented .... whatever.
When I was a kid we were almost all training water polo, or swimming, or football (soccer), or basketball... Those that didn't, used gym as an excuse.
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Originally Posted by llamaone View Post


Ouch, sounds like you "dreamer" bulked--a rookie mistake. Hopefully you can lose the excess fat without much struggle.

haha no. I actually stayed at the same BF%. But i did read that one troll thread on bb.com  (link for those of you who don't know what a dreamer bulk is http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=161809003)

 

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Originally Posted by gs77 View Post

It's very hard to put muscles just where you want them. Chances are you'll end up looking ridiculous. No idea what is this regimented .... whatever.
When I was a kid we were almost all training water polo, or swimming, or football (soccer), or basketball... Those that didn't, used gym as an excuse.
 

I'm sorry, this comes off as just ignorant. 

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Originally Posted by venividivicibj View Post

haha no. I actually stayed at the same BF%. But i did read that one troll thread on bb.com  (link for those of you who don't know what a dreamer bulk is http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=161809003)

I'm sorry, this comes off as just ignorant. 

Ignorant? OK, whatever... Lol
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Originally Posted by gs77 View Post

It's very hard to put muscles just where you want them. Chances are you'll end up looking ridiculous. No idea what is this regimented .... whatever.
When I was a kid we were almost all training water polo, or swimming, or football (soccer), or basketball... Those that didn't, used gym as an excuse.

Right. That's why you train basic compounds movements such as the squat, deadlift, bench press, overhead press, row, pull-up, etc. These will put mass all over your body and in the right proportions. Not sure why you would "look ridiculous", but it sounds like you've got a lot to learn about strength training.

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haha no. I actually stayed at the same BF%. But i did read that one troll thread on bb.com 

I don't read bb.com forums so not sure what you're talking about. But you mean to tell me you gained 20-23 lbs over 6-7 months and stayed the same bf%? What were you taking? foo.gif
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Originally Posted by llamaone View Post

Right. That's why you train basic compounds movements such as the squat, deadlift, bench press, overhead press, row, pull-up, etc. These will put mass all over your body and in the right proportions. Not sure why you would "look ridiculous", but it sounds like you've got a lot to learn about strength training.
I don't read bb.com forums so not sure what you're talking about. But you mean to tell me you gained 20-23 lbs over 6-7 months and stayed the same bf%? Lol, ok bro. What were you taking? foo.gif

I don't need to learn anything about strenght training, as I am strong enough after years of seriously doing waterpolo since being 8 years old.
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I don't read bb.com forums so not sure what you're talking about. But you mean to tell me you gained 20-23 lbs over 6-7 months and stayed the same bf%? What were you taking? foo.gif

That's why I included the link...

After the cut I was the same BF%. So, as I said, +(20~23) then cut and lost ~7. I ended up gaining 15 over 6-7 months, which is only ~2 a month.
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Originally Posted by gs77 View Post

I don't need to learn anything about strenght training, as I am strong enough after years of seriously doing waterpolo since being 8 years old.

Haha, ok man. Clearly, you must be able to squat and deadlift tons of weight. sarcasm.gif Go do some research on specific adaptation...

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Originally Posted by venividivicibj View Post

That's why I included the link...

After the cut I was the same BF%. So, as I said, +(20~23) then cut and lost ~7. I ended up gaining 15 over 6-7 months, which is only ~2 a month.

I'm still skeptical. 15 lbs of pure, lean muscle gain in 6-7 months is virtually impossible drug-free, unless you are 16-18 years old, in the prime of puberty and have raging testosterone levels and are experiencing "noob" gains. Something like 4-6 pounds of lean muscle gain per year is about the maximum possible drug-free for a lifter past the noob gain phase.
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I'm still skeptical. 15 lbs of pure, lean muscle gain in 6-7 months is virtually impossible drug-free, unless you are 16-18 years old, in the prime of puberty and have raging testosterone levels and are experiencing "noob" gains. Something like 4-6 pounds of lean muscle gain per year is about the maximum possible drug-free for a lifter past the noob gain phase.

Dat maths. I never said 15 pure lean muscle. I said maintain BF%. If it were 15 lean muscle then the BF% would drop....
'first time seriously lifting since college' = 'noob gain' potential

Man, you really need to read more closely.
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Also, @venividivicibj, just a word of caution and a bit of good natured advice, since you seem to be into tailored clothing, suits/sport coats, etc.:

Be very careful with lifting/bodybuilding and manipulating your bodyweight. I speak from experience. Even a change of +/- 10 lbs will dramatically affect the fit of tailored menswear. I'm 5'10", and about 3 years ago around the time I was graduating college, I attempted to build a wardrobe around my then bodyweight of ~190 lbs. I eventually realized that I was unhappy at about 15% bf and wanted to be leaner. And I thus found myself needing a completely new wardrobe for my new, leaner weight. So don't kid yourself about your weight/body composition after bulking. It can be a costly and time consuming mistake should you wish to get back to a leaner state again.
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Originally Posted by venividivicibj View Post

Dat maths. I never said 15 pure lean muscle. I said maintain BF%. If it were 15 lean muscle then the BF% would drop....
'first time seriously lifting since college' = 'noob gain' potential

Man, you really need to read more closely.

You said you put on 20-23, then cut, for a net gain of 15 lbs. Was assuming you meant lbm. Why else would you include that statistic?

Regardless, "noob" gains usually occur simultaneously with puberty, i.e. in the late teens when testosterone levels are raging and muscle is being gained even without much, if any, training.
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Be very careful with lifting/bodybuilding and manipulating your bodyweight. I speak from experience. Even a change of +/- 10 lbs will dramatically affect the fit of tailored menswear. I'm 5'10", and about 3 years ago around the time I was graduating college, I attempted to build a wardrobe around my then bodyweight of ~190 lbs. I eventually realized that I was unhappy at about 15% bf and wanted to be leaner. And I thus found myself needing a completely new wardrobe for my new, leaner weight. So don't kid yourself about your weight/body composition after bulking. It can be a costly and time consuming mistake should you wish to get back to a leaner state again.

Thanks- sadly I learned this the hard way. I had to sell some of my old suits, and have some pants retailored (thighs from deads/squats).

(Though I did keep some of the old stuff just in case my body weight changes again)
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Originally Posted by Claghorn View Post

I walk on a treadmill at 4 mph at a 10% incline 4 hours a week, 3 times a week, because I can read PDF's on them. Can't mark though, which sort of sucks.

And the occasional incline press because for some reason that's always been relaxing.

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This place always gets weird when we talk about our gym habits

Not sure why it's "weird." This place is full of men who are obviously concerned with their outward appearance, in clothing. Gym habits happen to also affect one's appearance in clothing and out of clothing. So it's entirely relevant to the overarching theme of StyleForum.

And FWIW, you'd be much better served spending those 4 hours per week doing some basic free weight resistance training instead of walking on a treadmill. You might not be able to read a PDF, but you could listen to some tunes or a podcast or ebook. smile.gif
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