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Originally Posted by heldentenor View Post

Do any Noodlers know of a quality brick-and-mortar shoe store in London or environs?  I have a friend who has a foot injury and would really benefit from having a fitting with someone knowledgeable.  Calling all Englishmen!  (@Cleav
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Twas me I would go here mate

http://www.crockettandjones.com/shop/92-jermyn-street
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Thank you sir--I've passed along your recommendation.  

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Originally Posted by Murlsquirl View Post

I have lightweight light grey hopsack trousers that are one of my favorite pair. They hold up well and I've had them for a couple years.

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Originally Posted by UrbanComposition View Post

The hopsack I have is porous and soft. Comfy, and they hold a crease like flannel - decent but not great. I always have to put them in the press after a couple wears.

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Originally Posted by YRR92 View Post

I love hopsack blazers. I have three. I'm not sure hopsack would tailor well as trousers – I've seen very cheap ones at thrift stores, and then I've seen costlier stuff described as hopsack in pictures but not in person.

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Originally Posted by EliodA View Post

No problems with pulling and snagging? That's why I don't like hopsack for trousers, but probably it depends on the openness of the weave.

I chose a navy hopsack to have a blazer suit made last week, but the tailor told me they don't make trousers out of that particular fabric, so I've had to settle for the blazer alone. I was so surprised when he said "no" because he's not the grumpy type who likes to bark at customers. He's extremely gregarious and go to great lengths to give the customer what he wants. He showed me that it was even printed directly on the swatch of fabric that trousers aren't made with it, just jackets.

I am a bit disappointed, but do still rate this tailor quite highly. Have any of you ever been refused such a request?
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Originally Posted by Veremund View Post


I chose a navy hopsack to have a blazer suit made last week, but the tailor told me they don't make trousers out of that particular fabric, so I've had to settle for the blazer alone. I was so surprised when he said "no" because he's not the grumpy type who likes to bark at customers. He's extremely gregarious and go to great lengths to give the customer what he wants. He showed me that it as even printed directly on the swatch of fabric that trousers aren't made with it, just jackets.

I am a bit disappointed, but do still rate this tailor quite highly. Have any of you ever been refused such a request?

 

It sounds to me like he's talking about this particular cloth, not hopsack in general.  If that's the case, couldn't you select another hopsack? 

 

Am I missing something?

 

Cheers,

 

Ac

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I suppose I could have, but it was the fabric I liked most by far. It's quite open with a lovely texture. Not particularly tough, but I guess that's the price I pay for getting the texture I wanted. Only 5 more weeks to wait. frown.gif
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That, in my opinion, is part of what you pay the tailor for.
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@Veremund I think that's a positive. If anything, I'd probably rate the tailor higher after such an encounter. He could have easily indulged your request, knowing full well the end result would be problematic from a wear/durability standpoint. A business owner who takes a stance that essentially takes money out of his pocket so as to not potentially harm the customer is one worth frequenting, in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by sugarbutch View Post

That, in my opinion, is part of what you pay the tailor for.

 

 

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@Veremund I think that's a positive. If anything, I'd probably rate the tailor higher after such an encounter. He could have easily indulged your request, knowing full well the end result would be problematic from a wear/durability standpoint. A business owner who takes a stance that essentially takes money out of his pocket so as to not potentially harm the customer is one worth frequenting, in my opinion.

 

Yep.  Saved the client from buying trousers which would soon end up in the trash.

 

Cheers,

 

Ac

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@Pliny thank you for that gem of a thread.

 

I'm still trying to wrap my mind around how someone could, in earnest, equate a type of suit with a garbage man. I could probably wear an ill fitting, black w/teal, yellow, orange, and red quad-stripe suit, and still be seen as "fancy" nowadays.

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Thread Starter 

It was an enjoyable late night read. I think that Vox focused the discussion on FNB's hyperbole and FNB went along, which is too bad, because I think there was fertile ground vis-a-vis class in the United States. Chiefly:

 

- How the class system is perpetuated (if it exists) in different geographical locations in the United States.

- The way in which a class system fits (or fails to) into the way in which Americans see themselves.

 

And though not touched on in the conversation:

 

- How does one define a social class in an American context?

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Originally Posted by Claghorn View Post


And though not touched on in the conversation:

- How does one define a social class in an American context?

Largely wrapped up in red vs blue voters, geographic location, and race.

Unless you get somewhere ultra-cloistered, then it's much more old-school
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^^

 

It's a big country, and there are important regional variations, I think.  For example, in the older cities of the northeast as well as some southern cities, something approximating the English model still obtains in certain circles in which family lineage still counts.  I've not encountered that further west.

 

Cheers,

 

Ac

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Thread Starter 
I'd argue it extends well beyond that and primarily concerns self-identification and shared norms and values.

Although I grew up somewhere fairly cloistered, lived in a different country, and am now somewhere else fairly cloistered.

I am confident that social class has nothing to do with red and blue voters. Both because there is tremendous variation in values (particularly once we get beyond the obvious political ones) within parties and because, in my experience, most norms aren't predicated or predicted by party allegiance.

Anyway, old school social class has diminished to irrelevance (and perhaps has ceased to exist in some places). I know it has in San Antonio. Every year we have a week long celebration, Fiesta. There is always the Fiesta "royalty" and the Fiesta cavaliers. 95% white (odd for a Hispanic celebration in a predominantly Hispanic city). I once looked at the rosters going back 80 years and recognize the fathers, grandfathers, and great grandfathers of people I went to school with. Now the various Fiesta queens pop on my Facebook feed every April. All old money, and I'm pretty confident that the city is fairly oblivious of them. And I think family history only counts to the fourth or fifth generation in San Antonio (and only counts if it's old AND Texan)

Claghorn's somewhat interesting family history and the origin of his screen-name Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Alas, the last of my blue bloodedness disappeared three generations ago (the Claghorns were bankers until the Great Depression, though my great grandfather was an Admiral (his brothers were in banking). Come to think of it, boats have been in our blood for centuries. A Claghorn was the shipwright who built the USS Constitution). And the other bit of old blood I have, the Endicott's, descended from the Massachusetts Bay Colony governor, had been poor for at least a century (at least the line that settled in Oklahoma).

I'm most proud of the Martinez blood in me though. My great grandfather, a bastard by a red haired Spaniard, was orphaned at age 8 and became a shepherd in Guadalajara. Moved to the US in his late teens and worked as a welder for Union Pacific until his 70s, rarely taking a day off. The Gutierrez's are cool too. They've been in Texas since the 1700's. When my mom was in school, she had trouble explaining to her teacher that they never crossed the border, the border crossed them (the white teacher apparently kept asking "yes, but when did they become Americans?")
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I want a tobacco or brown suit, but then the suit from Napoleon Dynamite keeps popping into my head. 

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When my mom was in school, she had trouble explaining to her teacher that they never crossed the border, the border crossed them (the white teacher apparently kept asking "yes, but when did they become Americans?")

That is ten shades of awesome right there.
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