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post #32806 of 37395
I can't imagine anyone I know being offended by someone else wearing loafers or laced shoes.
Personally, I find it disrespecful to dress really casually at funerals and weddings and such.
In business, I'm fairly tolerant, because most people simply don't know. If effort is made to look "professional" (suit or jacket, tie, leather shoes), I don't think much more about it.







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Originally Posted by europrep View Post

To expand on this a bit. At what point is someone offended enough for it to alter a decision? If you are interviewing someone or doing a deal with someone, are you more turned off by if their shoes are well maintained or the style differs from the occasion?
post #32807 of 37395

+1  Alter a decision?  never, probably.  I mean, I like clothes, but I'm not crazy. And yes, all but a few ppl on these here boards know or care about correct deployment of suede loafers :).  

post #32808 of 37395

More than anything I just feel lots of people miss out on some simple pleasures by essentially wearing the same thing all the time. There's no....ceremony I guess I'd call it that comes with wearing a suit. 

They're also duller and less well rounded for not being able to interperet the nuance of color, textures seasonal appropriateness of items, etc.  

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It looks like the left leg is cut huge because of the shadow lol.

Did you really laugh out loud at this? Was it that funny?

post #32810 of 37395

If your best candidate gets passed over in favor of your second best candidate because the former wore loafers and the latter wore oxfords, your business is doomed. Unless, of course, you own a shoe store, in which case, eh, maybe.

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Originally Posted by europrep View Post

To expand on this a bit. At what point is someone offended enough for it to alter a decision? If you are interviewing someone or doing a deal with someone, are you more turned off by if their shoes are well maintained or the style differs from the occasion?

 

I glossed over this earlier.  Maintenance of shoes and clothing plus hygeine are different.  I judge them more harshly.

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Did you really laugh out loud at this? Was it that funny?

 

At isolations consistent camera woes? Absolutely.

post #32813 of 37395

Just sent a mass mailing letting employees know that, going forward, anyone not wearing loafers at all times will be summarily dismissed.

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Originally Posted by sprout2 View Post
 

Simple formula: if you wear more sportcoats than suits, loafers are essential.

 

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Or derbies, bluchers, or ...

 

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Originally Posted by PCK1 View Post
 

I wear loafers and chukkas with suits all the time...in both calf and suede.

 

I wear them with mostly casual suits...though on occasion I will wear a suede chukka with a dressier flannel or heavier weight suit. 

 

And as far as cordovan tassel loafers go...you aren't part of the eastern establishment if you don't own a pair that you've had since college. 

 

 

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For what it’s worth, I’m a ‘baby boomer’ who grew up in the American northeast, and I dressed in the usual prep-style when in high school.  I certainly had a pair of penny loafers back then, though neither I nor any of my classmates wore them without socks as far as I can recall, and I don’t think I wore them with a suit either (though I rarely wore suits back then anyway).

 

That said, I don’t think I’ve owned a pair of loafers since I was in my 20s.

 

As an academic I suspect I’m part of the ‘eastern establishment’ by definition, if not, perhaps, as firmly entrenched a part of it as I would be if I were, say, a banker.

 

There's a lot of regional diversity not only with regard to whether or not one should wear loafers with a suit, but also whether or not it's appropriate to wear them without socks.  In my experience loafers without socks aren’t all that unusual in Italy in the summer.  I’ve also been told that they’re commonly seen in the south of France as well.  I can’t testify from experience regarding the latter, though I’m sure that others here,  @EFV perhaps, can.  Out of curiosity, how do people feel about the sockless look? 

 

Cheers,

 

Ac

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Originally Posted by Academic2 View Post
 

 

Or derbies, bluchers, or ...

 

 

For what it’s worth, I’m a ‘baby boomer’ who grew up in the American northeast, and I dressed in the usual prep-style when in high school.  I certainly had a pair of penny loafers back then, though neither I nor any of my classmates wore them without socks as far as I can recall, and I don’t think I wore them with a suit either (though I rarely wore suits back then anyway).

 

That said, I don’t think I’ve owned a pair of loafers since I was in my 20s.

 

As an academic I suspect I’m part of the ‘eastern establishment’ by definition, if not, perhaps, as firmly entrenched a part of it as I would be if I were, say, a banker.

 

There's a lot of regional diversity not only with regard to whether or not one should wear loafers with a suit, but also whether or not it's appropriate to wear them without socks.  In my experience loafers without socks aren’t all that unusual in Italy in the summer.  I’ve also been told that they’re commonly seen in the south of France as well.  I can’t testify from experience regarding the latter, though I’m sure that others here,  @EFV perhaps, can.  Out of curiosity, how do people feel about the sockless look

 

Cheers,

 

Ac

 

I like it in a casual outfit.  Hate it when I see it with a business suit and oxfords.

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Out of curiosity, how do people feel about the sockless look?

 

post #32817 of 37395

I would find it difficult to really trust someone in sockless loafers.  I find these people to be shifty, unreliable and louche. 

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Originally Posted by Academic2 View Post[...]        Out of curiosity, how do people feel about the sockless look

 

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I like it in a casual outfit.  Hate it when I see it with a business suit and oxfords.

 

I wouldn’t do it myself, but I think it looks fine with a casual summer outfit, particularly at the beach.  Think Martha’s Vineyard in July—it’s classic Ivy in that context.

 

Cheers,

 

Ac

post #32819 of 37395
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Originally Posted by colco View Post

I glossed over this earlier.  Maintenance of shoes and clothing plus hygeine are different.  I judge them more harshly.

That was actually my point. I do know people that will refuse to hire someone if there shoes are not well maintained. It doesn't matter the style of shoe. People can feel fee to disagree, but the fact that there are people factoring this into their hiring decisions should be considered.
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Originally Posted by sprout2 View Post

Simple formula: if you wear more sportcoats than suits, loafers are essential.

I have a pretty high sport coat to suit ratio, and I rarely wear my loafers. I generally will wear them if I've arrived home and need to leave again for a quick errand.

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I've never gone sockless and never will, but I like it on the right person in the right outfit
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