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On Styleforum, all outfits fit well. It's the pictures that sometimes don't fit.
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One picture only tells about 1/4 of the story

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One picture only tells about 1/4 of the story

That's why we need 4 pics wink.gif
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That's why we need 4 pics wink.gif


Yeah, but if it looks great in one pic, it is probably better than 99% of what you will see IRL.  That's good enough for most.

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I look forward to commenting on this matter in the upcoming weeks.
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I look forward to commenting on this matter in the upcoming weeks.

 

Sounds ominous (a Darth Vader voiceover is reading this in my head).  

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Thank you SugarButch, Stitchy, and Clags on weighing in. I will leave them as they are. I seriously need to buy more stuff but someone called wife is doing all the spending at the moment.

Pix definitely do not tell the whole story. I have used a paper napkin as a PS in the past and it went unnoticed... I think.

I switched jobs for the better and now need to dress up when meeting clients. Then I go home and work naked. Damn, I love technology.
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Thank you SugarButch, Stitchy, and Clags on weighing in. I will leave them as they are. I seriously need to buy more stuff but someone called wife is doing all the spending at the moment.

Pix definitely do not tell the whole story. I have used a paper napkin as a PS in the past and it went unnoticed... I think.

I switched jobs for the better and now need to dress up when meeting clients. Then I go home and work naked. Damn, I love technology.

Does this mean you will give the new batch of Formosa's a go? They look quite good.
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Does this mean you will give the new batch of Formosa's a go? They look quite good.

Oh dear. Don't poke the bear.
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I believe he is currently only allowed to purchase Suit Supply,
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SuSu or BnT
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That's a helluva leap.
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I do it. So does Coxsackie.
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Clags, how much of your tailored wardrobe comes from Italy?  Given your love of patch pockets, unstructured shoulders, and low gorges, it surprises me that I can't definitively think of an Italian-made jacket of yours.  

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@Claghorn et al.

Here are my thoughts on the matter of fit judgement visa vi fit pics.

First off, its absurd to say that fit cannot be judged based on a picture, and I would hope that it was obvious that that is not what I meant. I myself have learned a great deal, and made many purchases and adjustments for the sake of fit based off of the pictures I have posted. It is without question that in certain, or even many, cases, glaring, and even not so glaring, fit issues can be identified in a still picture alone.

What I was getting at was a few things. Firstly, pictures alone cannot possibly always convey the full story when it comes to fit. There are just too many outside factors. Camera angle, position of the body/the way one is standing, even the wind blowing, can all greatly distort the reality of how a clothing item fits. Im not saying that is always the case, I am saying that can often very well be the case. And I know that no one wants to hear that, and whenever a person who receives fit feedback responds in that nature they invariably get labeled a liar who cant face the reality. Sometimes thats true, but sometimes its not, and its up to the wearer to be intellectually honest about that, because accolades are nice and all, but if you are avoiding the truth you are never going to fix your issues. That last bit is really more of a life lesson than jus a fit lesson.

Furthermore, and as a proof to the fallibility of a pic as judgment, there are often times where a clothing item does not fit well, but with the proper photography or pose it can be pretty easily hidden. And you dont even need a fancy camera or photographer to do that. I know myself I have taken fit pics and was told that my pants or jacket did not fit right and then the next time I posted that same item, both pictures taken on a iPhone by a non professional, I was told they look perfect. How did that happen?! Magic??!11 No. Because some external factor in the picture taking process was different, and either the first time around something was ill represented or the second time around I got "lucky" and the fit issue was obscured.

Secondly, when it comes to perhaps more nuanced fit issues it is pretty standard that someone posts a pic and they get 6 six different directives as to what they should have altered. That alone is a pretty solid indicator in my opinion that you cant really definitively make a fit judgement based on a pic alone, not to mention that in certain areas what it even considered proper fit is not always agreed upon. You often have times where one knowledgable person says such and such looks good and is the right fit and the next maven says no its not.

Thirdly, when it comes to an already finished garment, there are times where a persons natural body shape simply make it impossible to fix a certain fit issue. Either it just cant be done, or if you do go ahead and do it, you end negatively affecting how another area of a garment fits. If you shoulders are a certain way, or your hips/thighs are build in a specific way, you often just cant change the garment you may want to, and when you go ahead and instruct your tailor to do it you end up making things worse.

Lastly, you can further break fit down to looks good v feels good. For example, I know personally what I think looks best on me, and that is not always what is most comfortable. I may have a SC or pants that look amazing in pictures and look tip top on my build, but I also now that I am usually more comfortable in something else that do not quite fit just so. I know some people will call BS and say that a truly perfect suit from a truly perfect tailor with both look perfect and feel perfect, but Im not buying that. Or for example you know that you sit a lot during the day so you want more room in the seat/thighs of you pants but then when you stand you and your behind and thighs are no longer smushed up against your pants and all of a sudden your pants drape is no longer perfect due to the bit of excess fabric and everyone yells at you to have your tailor clean up the seat. For what? So you can be slightly uncomfortable everytime you sit down but have perfect drape for your internet pics? Sometimes you just need a little more room or whatever it is, and yeah in a picture maybe its not quite ideal but at least your are ideally comfortable during your day.

Whats the point here? My point is that taking a very expensive clothing item that is already finished and to a degree it now it what it is, and then taking the risk of altering it, not to mention the cost of the alteration itself, based off a a few pictures that you put on the internet, that may or may not tell the honest truth about how things really are, and the feedback you get is not even universal, and its quite possible that the fix will be a failure in the end, and even if if looks better it might end feeling less comfortable, is a very questionable proposition in my opinion. So when someone posts a fit pic that looks pretty good and might have a few issues, Im not about to jump and say hey buddy take that multi-thousand dollar suit and give it a surgery. Lengthen or shorten the sleeves/hem? Someone wants to let the waist out a bit or take it in a bit because its too loose/tight? Sure thing. But to start messing with the jacket waist, neck or shoulders, or to use the waist or seat of the pants to try and help out the front area of the pants or the drape by the thigh? Even tapering a leg is not always a great idea. Im not about to make a snap judgement and send someone down that road based off a few pics. A very experienced and skilled tailor who can see the item in person should make that call. And if you are not sure, you are probably better off leaving well enough alone.

As far Clags point about me intentionally not displaying fit in my pics, thats not quite entirely true. At this point I am pretty confident that I know what fits well and what does not, and I am a very harsh critic of myself when it comes to that. Its not really something I look for feedback on. Im much more interested in displaying the combination of items I chose and seeing if people feel they are cohesive and are visually appealing together. And of course, I want the picture itself to be pretty. So, its not that I am trying to conceal the fit, its that Im not concerned if my pic does not really give much information about fit. Im more concerned about getting the colors and textures right and showing how the ensemble comes together. And of course, I want the picture itself to be pretty.
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