Yeah. Was thinking 3.5 meters of Minnis Flannel (70 GBP or around $110 per meter).
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Good Natured Advice Thread (improving a business wardrobe) - Page 2039post #30571 of 374979/9/15 at 5:56pmpost #30572 of 374979/9/15 at 5:59pmpost #30573 of 374979/9/15 at 6:03pmQuote:
Covering the waistline (belt or waistband / tabs) is my general rule of thumb as well. A suit just looks so much better without exposing the waistband / shirt near the waist.post #30574 of 374979/9/15 at 6:59pmQuote:Originally Posted by Claghorn
When I was forced to wear suits, I didn't enjoy it at all. After I was no longer forced to wear suits, I joined SF. So I sort of get what Sprout's saying in his last comment, but again, people needing to wear CM for their 9-8's* (Americans...if we're lucky) or 9-5's (for those living in more reasonable places) might just be making the best of a bad situation.
* The Protestant work ethic has been so heavily socialized into me that I feel like a lazy turd if I've not been productive at least 8-10 hours on a weekday and 4-5 hours on a weekend. I know I number of people who feel the same way (to greater or lesser degrees). I have a friend who's wife wisely started prohibiting him from working on Sundays. This led to anxiety issues, and so they've worked out some sort of deal where he works part of Sunday--not much, but enough--and relaxes the rest of the day.
Dude. DUDE. That's not American. That's just obsessive. If it works for you, that's great, but most Americans aren't working those hours.Quote:Originally Posted by EliodA
LOL, I do understand. I'm just shocked that young guys like you and Newc seem to be so afraid of being noticed. And I have my doubts that strict conformism is going to help you go far in your workplace. All it does is creating corporate drones.
The nail that doesn't stick out will rust away unnoticed. Don't be afraid of getting hammered every now and then. That's character building.Quote:
Not everyone is inclined to tilt at windmills. I would give him the benefit of the doubt when it comes to assessing the risks/rewards in his own situation. While I also doubt that "strict conformism is going to help you go far in your workplace", being pointlessly contrarian isn't going to either. If someone's going to stick his neck out, surely it's savvier to do so over something of consequence?post #30575 of 374979/9/15 at 7:17pmpost #30576 of 374979/9/15 at 7:24pmThread Starterpost #30577 of 374979/9/15 at 7:38pmSure, but not nearly enough to say it's the norm here. And of those who do, what share of that time is working and what share "working"?
In my industry, those kinds of hours may be required occasionally in certain roles, but aren't sustainable or necessary as regular practice. For the rest of the people (the majority of the staff), though, putting in those hours would suggest to me that the person is in over his head.
To be clear, I'm not questioning your personal competence, work ethic, or efficiency.post #30578 of 374979/9/15 at 7:42pmQuote:Originally Posted by sugarbutch
Dude. DUDE. That's not American. That's just obsessive. If it works for you, that's great, but most Americans aren't working those hours.
Not everyone is inclined to tilt at windmills. I would give him the benefit of the doubt when it comes to assessing the risks/rewards in his own situation. While I also doubt that "strict conformism is going to help you go far in your workplace", being pointlessly contrarian isn't going to either. If someone's going to stick his neck out, surely it's savvier to do so over something of consequence?
In my finest Foo voice: why do you guys insist in missing the point? Of course it's not about the 'rebellious' act of wearing a jacket when your colleagues are working in shirt sleeves. But using expressions like 'the nail that sticks out gets hammered' or that it 'would be imprudent to go against the norm' are not what I'd expect to hear from ambitious young men.
@Claghorn I'm sure there are dozens of countries where the working hours are a lot more grueling than in the USA. And a lot less well paid.post #30579 of 374979/9/15 at 7:48pmThread StarterYeah. I meant to type "Western" there.
Which doesn't speak to how productive they are during those hours. Still, the 9-6 is clearly going the way of the dodo in a lot of professions. I'd hazard especially those that require you to wear a tie and/or jacket.
I am definitely unproductive at least 2 hours each day. I simply don't have the mental stamina to go at something 5-6 hours straight without a break.post #30580 of 374979/9/15 at 7:59pmpost #30581 of 374979/9/15 at 8:32pmQuote:
Let me fix it for you.
'would be imprudent to go against the norm over something so trivial as wearing a jacket'post #30582 of 374979/9/15 at 8:36pmQuote:Originally Posted by rms340
Maybe I'm in the minority, but waking up, putting on a jacket & tie, and working from home does not compute in my head. Seems like a lot of unnecessary work when you are in the comfort of your own home. I know we're on a men's fashion forum and all, but it seems a bit contrived.
Contrived for who?post #30583 of 374979/9/15 at 8:54pmThread StarterIt's his hobby. Why does a hobby need be born of practicality? I know it feels different, but it isn't much different from those who don't need to wear a tie to work but choose to do so. If you were working at home, I assume you wouldn't work naked. He just chooses to wear a tie. It wouldn't surprise me if it improved his productivity, a signal to his brain: ok, it's time to work.post #30584 of 374979/9/15 at 8:56pmQuote:
I don't think I've ever ironed a seersucker shirt. I think it could be done, but one of the beauties of seersucker imo, is their being wrinkle free or permanently wrinkled if you will.post #30585 of 374979/9/15 at 9:14pmI recall an interview with a popular author - it might have been Shelby Foote or Stephen Ambrose - who said when he was writing he treated it like a more conventional job and stayed in a routine, eg got up the same time everyday, shaved & showered, ate and sat typed to type the same time everyday. Wouldn't stop, even if he had writer's block, until his predetermined quiting time.
I didn't get the impression he put on coat and tie but I could imagine someone working from home wanting to dress up a little to get the mindset "ok, time to go to work. Time to be serious."
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