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Plenty of nice cloths are over $100 meter.....so that seems about right for a suit length.

Yeah. Was thinking 3.5 meters of Minnis Flannel (70 GBP or around $110 per meter).
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Also, the hit in USD might well drop noticeably if the EUR/USD exchange drops closer to parity in the coming months/year.

True. One could say something similar with the Pound if it drops back to $1.45 or so.
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Originally Posted by in stitches View Post

@kulata and @EliodA. Interesting conversation before about button point. For me personally its about the right balance. I need the button point high enough that the jacket does not look droopy and dated, but low enough that my belt buckle is covered.

Covering the waistline (belt or waistband / tabs) is my general rule of thumb as well. A suit just looks so much better without exposing the waistband / shirt near the waist.
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Originally Posted by Claghorn View Post

When I was forced to wear suits, I didn't enjoy it at all. After I was no longer forced to wear suits, I joined SF. So I sort of get what Sprout's saying in his last comment, but again, people needing to wear CM for their 9-8's* (Americans...if we're lucky) or 9-5's (for those living in more reasonable places) might just be making the best of a bad situation.

* The Protestant work ethic has been so heavily socialized into me that I feel like a lazy turd if I've not been productive at least 8-10 hours on a weekday and 4-5 hours on a weekend. I know I number of people who feel the same way (to greater or lesser degrees). I have a friend who's wife wisely started prohibiting him from working on Sundays. This led to anxiety issues, and so they've worked out some sort of deal where he works part of Sunday--not much, but enough--and relaxes the rest of the day.

Dude. DUDE. That's not American. That's just obsessive. If it works for you, that's great, but most Americans aren't working those hours.
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it seems you do not want to understand.

LOL, I do understand. I'm just shocked that young guys like you and Newc seem to be so afraid of being noticed. And I have my doubts that strict conformism is going to help you go far in your workplace. All it does is creating corporate drones.

The nail that doesn't stick out will rust away unnoticed. Don't be afraid of getting hammered every now and then. That's character building.

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I'm guessing there are better ways to get noticed and build character than wearing a jacket when your colleagues don't.  I could be wrong though.


Not everyone is inclined to tilt at windmills. I would give him the benefit of the doubt when it comes to assessing the risks/rewards in his own situation. While I also doubt that "strict conformism is going to help you go far in your workplace", being pointlessly contrarian isn't going to either. If someone's going to stick his neck out, surely it's savvier to do so over something of consequence?
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^ Exactly. Stick your neck out over things that actually matter.
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Thread Starter 
@sugarbutch

I think that more Americans work those hours (9-8) than citizens of any other Western country.
Edited by Claghorn - 9/9/15 at 7:48pm
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Sure, but not nearly enough to say it's the norm here. And of those who do, what share of that time is working and what share "working"?

In my industry, those kinds of hours may be required occasionally in certain roles, but aren't sustainable or necessary as regular practice. For the rest of the people (the majority of the staff), though, putting in those hours would suggest to me that the person is in over his head.

To be clear, I'm not questioning your personal competence, work ethic, or efficiency. smile.gif
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Originally Posted by sugarbutch View Post

Dude. DUDE. That's not American. That's just obsessive. If it works for you, that's great, but most Americans aren't working those hours.

Not everyone is inclined to tilt at windmills. I would give him the benefit of the doubt when it comes to assessing the risks/rewards in his own situation. While I also doubt that "strict conformism is going to help you go far in your workplace", being pointlessly contrarian isn't going to either. If someone's going to stick his neck out, surely it's savvier to do so over something of consequence?

In my finest Foo voice: why do you guys insist in missing the point? Of course it's not about the 'rebellious' act of wearing a jacket when your colleagues are working in shirt sleeves. But using expressions like 'the nail that sticks out gets hammered' or that it 'would be imprudent to go against the norm' are not what I'd expect to hear from ambitious young men.

@Claghorn I'm sure there are dozens of countries where the working hours are a lot more grueling than in the USA. And a lot less well paid.
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Thread Starter 
Yeah. I meant to type "Western" there.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/on-leadership/wp/2014/09/02/the-average-work-week-is-now-47-hours/

Which doesn't speak to how productive they are during those hours. Still, the 9-6 is clearly going the way of the dodo in a lot of professions. I'd hazard especially those that require you to wear a tie and/or jacket.

I am definitely unproductive at least 2 hours each day. I simply don't have the mental stamina to go at something 5-6 hours straight without a break.
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Sorry, @EliodA, but there is only one :Foo . It has to flow naturally.
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Originally Posted by EliodA View Post

But using expressions like 'the nail that sticks out gets hammered' or that it 'would be imprudent to go against the norm' are not what I'd expect to hear from ambitious young men.

Let me fix it for you.

'would be imprudent to go against the norm over something so trivial as wearing a jacket'
post #30582 of 37403
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Originally Posted by rms340 View Post


Maybe I'm in the minority, but waking up, putting on a jacket & tie, and working from home does not compute in my head. Seems like a lot of unnecessary work when you are in the comfort of your own home. I know we're on a men's fashion forum and all, but it seems a bit contrived.

Contrived for who?

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Thread Starter 
It's his hobby. Why does a hobby need be born of practicality? I know it feels different, but it isn't much different from those who don't need to wear a tie to work but choose to do so. If you were working at home, I assume you wouldn't work naked. He just chooses to wear a tie. It wouldn't surprise me if it improved his productivity, a signal to his brain: ok, it's time to work.
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Speaking of ironing, I will be receiving a Seersucker shirt shortly.... Would ironing mess up the grooves/what do you do...

I don't think I've ever ironed a seersucker shirt.  I think it could be done, but one of the beauties of seersucker imo, is their being wrinkle free or permanently wrinkled if you will.

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I recall an interview with a popular author - it might have been Shelby Foote or Stephen Ambrose - who said when he was writing he treated it like a more conventional job and stayed in a routine, eg got up the same time everyday, shaved & showered, ate and sat typed to type the same time everyday. Wouldn't stop, even if he had writer's block, until his predetermined quiting time.

I didn't get the impression he put on coat and tie but I could imagine someone working from home wanting to dress up a little to get the mindset "ok, time to go to work. Time to be serious."
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