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So, if I go to an A's game, I shouldn't root for them? (Assuming they're not playing the Giants, of course)

 

Nein.  I've been to over half of the MLB stadiums...I've ate their good food, drank their beer, and had a great time...but root for them?  Hell no.

I wouldn't root for just any old home team, but I'll root for the A's. It's like hoping that your (poor) cousins do well. smile.gif

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The buttons and pockets are so important in this case because (judging by the picture) it's a smooth, worsted fabric which would be more appropriate for a suit.

That said, no one outside of this site will notice or care that your sportscoat looks suity.

Thanks, always appreciate your input. Maybe no one will notice, but I will know. I refuse to deceive myself intentionally, lol. Here's another picture


Does it make any difference?

I don't think self-deception is required, but YMMV. You can't use it as you've shown above, though. Even with casual buttons, this jacket should be used for the most formal odd-jacket ensembles. Light blue or white shirt, conservative tie, gray pants, dark brown or black shoes. You know, the SecurityGuard.

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@DonRaphael I am curious, why do you hate metal buttons? I have noticed this trend here.

You weren't asking me, but since you've called it out as a trend, I'll answer:

• Don't care for gold
• Even in non-gold metals, they're generally too flashy
• They're noisy! I have one jacket with brass buttons, and the damned things are click-clacking throughout the day
• They do have the country club connotation. If that were the only thing, it wouldn't stop me, but it doesn't help

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I don't understand the argument 'in the real world blazers/jackets normally have flaps' or 'people won't notice in real life' Isn't the point of SF to go to a higher standard?  using the above logic - the real world has mostly terrible fitting suits, but we wouldn't recommend wearing those either, right?  (or for that matter, wearing square toed loafers, which are so popular) If he's asking how to differentiate a suit jacket from a SC, pockets are one of the only ways (if you arent changing buttons, which is the original topic).

Slippery slope arguments aren't always useful. In this case, no one will care probably because they shouldn't care. Especially if he changes the buttons. smile.gif


Elio, I don't think the BlazerSuit is intended to save money or avoid looking like you can't afford a proper blazer/sportcoat. It's useful for light packing as noted above, but more than anything I think it's just menswear nerdery. Vox's OTT example with the swappable buttons is the apex of that nerdery. It helps that (IMO) it's a good looking suit.
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Slippery slope arguments aren't always useful. In this case, no one will care probably because they shouldn't care. Especially if he changes the buttons. smile.gif

 

Of course not, but that is the logic that was used. So we shouldn't try for a higher standard than the general public?

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Slippery slope arguments aren't always useful. In this case, no one will care probably because they shouldn't care. Especially if he changes the buttons. smile.gif


 
Of course not, but that is the logic that was used. So we shouldn't try for a higher standard than the general public?

The argument was implicit. I'm suggesting that in this case the higher standard is merely higher, not better or useful. But I don't think any less of you because you don't agree. cheers.gif
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I have exactly one suit with patch hip pockets, and none with patch breast pockets. 

It’s from the 1980s, if I recall correctly.   Any know when the term ‘blazer suit’ was first used?

It’s a light gray brushed wooly flannel, and I’m OK with it.   It’s clearly a winter suit with a somewhat country feel to it, which probably explains why it doesn’t bother me.

The point being that I think there are two closely related but distinct spectra at work here:    casual/dressy and country/city.

Just sayin’ …

Cheers,

Ac

I think this is a key point, or what I should say is, as a noob, I think this way. Country suit I tend to go 2 patch pockets b/c it is more casual (to my way of thinking), city I go flap on a suit. Country suits are inherently more casual to me.
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Nein.  I've been to over half of the MLB stadiums...I've ate their good food, drank their beer, and had a great time...but root for them?  Hell no.


You're damn right.

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I believe @Claghorn and I are on the same page: Besom or patch. No flaps. Ever.
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I wouldn't root for just any old home team, but I'll root for the A's. It's like hoping that your (poor) cousins do well. smile.gif
I don't think self-deception is required, but YMMV. You can't use it as you've shown above, though. Even with casual buttons, this jacket should be used for the most formal odd-jacket ensembles. Light blue or white shirt, conservative tie, gray pants, dark brown or black shoes. You know, the SecurityGuard.
You weren't asking me, but since you've called it out as a trend, I'll answer:

• Don't care for gold
• Even in non-gold metals, they're generally too flashy
• They're noisy! I have one jacket with brass buttons, and the damned things are click-clacking throughout the day
• They do have the country club connotation. If that were the only thing, it wouldn't stop me, but it doesn't help
Slippery slope arguments aren't always useful. In this case, no one will care probably because they shouldn't care. Especially if he changes the buttons. smile.gifWarning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

Elio, I don't think the BlazerSuit is intended to save money or avoid looking like you can't afford a proper blazer/sportcoat. It's useful for light packing as noted above, but more than anything I think it's just menswear nerdery. Vox's OTT example with the swappable buttons is the apex of that nerdery. It helps that (IMO) it's a good looking suit
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Practical considerations which are fair but that country club connotation won't fly. Even wearing a suit nowadays connotes some form of snobbery
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I believe @Claghorn and I are on the same page: Besom or patch. No flaps. Ever.


What about flapped patch pockets?

 

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The argument was implicit. I'm suggesting that in this case the higher standard is merely higher, not better or useful. But I don't think any less of you because you don't agree. cheers.gif

 

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I believe @Claghorn and I are on the same page: Besom or patch. No flaps. Ever.

I'm assumign aestethics, but why?

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I don't think self-deception is required, but YMMV. You can't use it as you've shown above, though. Even with casual buttons, this jacket should be used for the most formal odd-jacket ensembles. Light blue or white shirt, conservative tie, gray pants, dark brown or black shoes. You know, the SecurityGuard.
That would fill a hole in my wardrobe. I have textured navy SCs with patch pockets for casual events. Thanks.
Edited by DonRaphael - 8/5/15 at 11:28am
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this is my understanding as well. I'm not against patch pockets, I even prefer them over flap pockets, but I can appreciate the look of flap pockets as well. I do not, however, intend to add metal buttons to this jacket. Would you mistake it for an orphaned suit jacket with/without metal buttons?

Personally, I think the Fear of the Orphaned Suit Jacket is totally blown out of proportion. Presumably, it stems from people wanting to avoid the impression that they can't afford a separate blazer or SC. But if the jacket - like yours - is obviously well made from quality materials, and you combine it tastefully into a nice coherent fit, nobody is going to think "look at that poor fella, can't even afford a real blazer". @Butler
for example has posted a few stellar fits with orphaned suit jackets in the past. Now, nobody will think of him he cant afford it...
And then again, those people who are so afraid of an orphaned suit jacket, then proceed to go to great lengths to obtain a 'blazer suit' confused.gif

Thanks!
In my case though, I already at commissioning know that I will use the coat as an odd coat, and consequently will order different buttons. I believe I have posted examples like a blue DB mohair and a Minnis DB flannel - I find that the light brown buttons make all the necessary difference in this exercise bigstar[1].gif
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The argument was implicit. I'm suggesting that in this case the higher standard is merely higher, not better or useful. But I don't think any less of you because you don't agree. cheers.gif
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I believe @Claghorn and I are on the same page: Besom or patch. No flaps. Ever.
I'm assumign aestethics, but why?

For me, they're a disruption of the lines of the jacket. Also, I'm short, and they chop up what little real estate I have. biggrin.gif
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It's because Butchy's steez is unflappable! rimshot.gif

I'll just see my way out... time to go shove dim sum in my face.
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For me, they're a disruption of the lines of the jacket. Also, I'm short, and they chop up what little real estate I have. biggrin.gif

 

Tucked in flaps are essentially the same as besom pockets, right?

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