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post #29521 of 37497
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Originally Posted by Academic2 View Post

Yes.

It’s worth remembering that the blazer is usually regarded as the dressiest of odd jackets.  That its relative formality thus approaches that of the suit isn’t surprising, and personally the ‘looks like it could be a suit jacket’ effect doesn’t worry me as much.  YMMV.

Cheers,

Ac
This is my understanding as well, having read Manton's response to the blazer vs. sport coat debate.

Also, I'm learning a lot from the ensuing debate. Thanks, gentlemen.
post #29522 of 37497

Corozo looks really good on navy/blues, You could always do a smoke MOP if you wanted MOP.

post #29523 of 37497
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Yes, I know why it exists and that is why I think it's a strange concept: you want to avoid the orphaned suit jacket because you don't want to give the impression that you can't afford a separate blazer. But then you buy a blazer suit, wearing matching trousers with your blazer so you give the impression that you can't afford a separate navy suit.

No, you're looking at it the wrong way. A blazer suit is a suit that works equally well as a suit and a blazer. Mine is airforce blue fresco with patch pockets. It looks great as a suit, but the jacket can be worn separately as well and looks just as great.

When worn as a suit, you'll have no idea it's a blazersuit, and when worn as a blazer, you'll have no idea it was part of a suit, which means it makes perfect sense. It's also perfect for short trips, as you'll only have to bring one jacket and 2 pairs of trousers.
post #29524 of 37497
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Corozo looks really good on navy/blues, You could always do a smoke MOP if you wanted MOP.
Not sure what I want, hence my initial question. I'll look into smoked MOP as well. But I really liked those corozo buttons that EliodA suggested.
post #29525 of 37497
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Originally Posted by EliodA View Post

Yes, I know why it exists and that is why I think it's a strange concept: you want to avoid the orphaned suit jacket because you don't want to give the impression that you can't afford a separate blazer. But then you buy a blazer suit, wearing matching trousers with your blazer so you give the impression that you can't afford a separate navy suit.

No, you're looking at it the wrong way. A blazer suit is a suit that works equally well as a suit and a blazer. Mine is airforce blue fresco with patch pockets. It looks great as a suit, but the jacket can be worn separately as well and looks just as great.

When worn as a suit, you'll have no idea it's a blazersuit, and when worn as a blazer, you'll have no idea it was part of a suit, which means it makes perfect sense. It's also perfect for short trips, as you'll only have to bring one jacket and 2 pairs of trousers.

 

More than a few of the things described as a 'blazer suit' has a jacket with a patch breast pocket.  To me, at least, that's a giveaway.

 

Cheers,

 

Ac

post #29526 of 37497
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More than a few of the things described as a 'blazer suit' has a jacket with a patch breast pocket.  To me, at least, that's a giveaway.

 

Cheers,

 

Ac

I don't think MFwas referring to those.

post #29527 of 37497
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More than a few of the things described as a 'blazer suit' has a jacket with a patch breast pocket.  To me, at least, that's a giveaway.

Cheers,

Ac

That's my point as well. It's a compromise. Just as wearing an orphaned suit jacket is.
If you want to wear a navy suit, get a navy suit. Not a blazer with matching trousers.
I think people tend to forget why an orphaned suit jacket should be avoided. And so they commit the same faux pas with their blazer suits.
post #29528 of 37497
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I think another member here bought buttons from Kent Wang.
Yes, I believe it was Caustic Man. But I'd like to know what would fit this particular piece as I lack experience with buying buttons to SCs. I usually just keep what comes with them, but these are to flashy for my taste.

 

Mid-brown or dark brown horn. If you wanted something with less contrast, navy horn.

 

Edit: I also like the navy MOP that I got with a recent NMWA/Formosa.

 

I feel like the orphaned suit jacket issue has been addressed thoroughly but just to get what seems to be a contrary view included: between the details and cloth most suit jackets look too formal to be worn as odd jackets. I think that many people who have never heard of SF would recognize that even if they weren't versed on the issue. They wouldn't care, but they'd notice. That's the social dynamic and tradition of dress, which exists outside of these forums. There are exceptions, of course. Also, a navy suit jacket can be casualized, such as by changing the buttons. That only gets you so far. None of that is to say that one can't wear an orphaned jacket as an odd jacket successfully, just that it mostly remains what it was created to be.


Edited by Mr. Six - 8/5/15 at 10:09am
post #29529 of 37497
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Originally Posted by Academic2 View Post

More than a few of the things described as a 'blazer suit' has a jacket with a patch breast pocket.  To me, at least, that's a giveaway.

Cheers,

Ac

+1. Also, even if there are just hip patch pockets, it's kind of a giveaway. I actually do think the travel argument is one of the best I've read for the BlazerSuit (should have mentioned it along with the closet space one). Ultimately it's a navy blazer without metal buttons that works fine as a suit if you aren't in an ultraconservative environment where the patch pockets would be a problem. IMO, it's not strictly speaking a substitute for a navy suit. It's a great way to get a more versatile garment if you already have a seasonally appropriate navy suit and want a second blue suit that can double as a blazer. Fine idea IMO but I never got into it. Maybe because I like metal buttons. Maybe because I don't wear suits often enough to need any sort of BlazerSuit once I have 6 or so suits.
post #29530 of 37497
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That's my point as well. It's a compromise. Just as wearing an orphaned suit jacket is.
If you want to wear a navy suit, get a navy suit. Not a blazer with matching trousers.
I think people tend to forget why an orphaned suit jacket should be avoided. And so they commit the same faux pas with their blazer suits.

Well, some of us actually prefer the look of a blazer suit to a CBD suit, so it's not really a compromise.
post #29531 of 37497
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Well, some of us actually prefer the look of a blazer suit to a CBD suit, so it's not really a compromise.

 

Fair enough, if that's the objective. As long as you don't try to convince me that it's because it's practical or economical :D

post #29532 of 37497
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Originally Posted by EliodA View Post

That's my point as well. It's a compromise. Just as wearing an orphaned suit jacket is.
If you want to wear a navy suit, get a navy suit. Not a blazer with matching trousers.
I think people tend to forget why an orphaned suit jacket should be avoided. And so they commit the same faux pas with their blazer suits.

Nope. I want a suit that's a bit more casual, and I want a blazer that's a bit more formal.

I have regular navy worsted suits for when I need to be super CBD, but for casual Fridays and such a hip patch pocket AF blue fresco suit is perfect. So, it's not a compromise. For a very nice dinner on Saturday night a hip patch pocket AF blue fresco blazer is perfect as well. Again, it's not a compromise.

Don't really see your point here.
post #29533 of 37497
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Well, some of us actually prefer the look of a blazer suit to a CBD suit, so it's not really a compromise.

I was going to make a comment that for those who enjoy more casual suits, the compromise aspect may not be as big of a deal but you beat me to it. It comes down to what you want out of your suit. If you never need to dress CBD or conservatively in general, then the "it's not a staple conservative navy suit" may not be a drawback. It's not a compromise if you want a more casual suit that can work as a navy blazer (I think RAF blue is better than navy here), but it is if you are trying to get something to be both a blazer and a staple navy suit.

If I didn't like metal buttons on my navy blazer, I'd probably be a bigger fan of the concept personally (though I'd still wear my CBD navy suits more often than the BlazerSuit due to personal preference).
post #29534 of 37497

I have exactly one suit with patch hip pockets, and none with patch breast pockets. 

 

It’s from the 1980s, if I recall correctly.   Any know when the term ‘blazer suit’ was first used?

 

It’s a light gray brushed wooly flannel, and I’m OK with it.   It’s clearly a winter suit with a somewhat country feel to it, which probably explains why it doesn’t bother me.

 

The point being that I think there are two closely related but distinct spectra at work here:    casual/dressy and country/city.

 

Just sayin’ …

 

Cheers,

 

Ac

post #29535 of 37497

So the argument has changed from --> 'in the real world/people wont notice/flaps are not a differentiator' to 'its a compromise'?

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