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Originally Posted by rms340 View Post


Noodles, don't quilt just yet. I think your progression in the past year, or so, is one to be appreciated. Your suits look 10x better than the ones you initially started out with that were too small. Your shoe, tie, and shirt game is on point. Your pattern and color matching is great. Although you may not be 100% happy with your latest suit, and feel like you've been duped because you jumped on a bandwagon, from my POV, it is still a great fitting suit that 9 out of 10 people in the real world would be impressed by. You will always be your biggest critique (apart from a select few on StyFo lol8[1].gif). I can't blame you for finding something you liked and binging a bit - I do this quite often, then look back and feel dumb for not striving for variety. If your current suits really do bother you that much, you could always sell them and buy a few suits from Kohls.

Thanks man. I see @Caustic Man at Kohl's all the time. :box:

I appreciate your comments. I think the latest acquisition looks ridiculous. 

post #28502 of 37392
Basically, Noodles benefits from a bit of shoulder extension. His first three Formosa suits had some shoulder extension. His latest one was a bit smaller in the shoulders, doesn't really extend the shoulders and thus is not as flattering (but still a nice suit). Others have told Noodles, perhaps rightly, that he might also benefit from a slightly more structured cut. Now with his latest acquisition as a frame of reference, Noodles is concerned about his other suits not being structured enough, even though they still have shoulder extension which flatters him.

At this point, I think Noodles' plan to take a break from purchasing is actually a good one. The next time he buys a suit, he can experiment with something a bit more structured but in a similar price range. He can then compare the two after taking a step back. Maybe he'll decide the more structured look is better than Formosa, just as properly fitting Formosa was much better than what he was buying before, especially for the price.
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There is something to be said about following an incremental progression when trying to improve your menswear game via Styleforum. Whether it be due to my past, current, and future means or my progress in understanding, I notice that every few months I hit a new plateau here, where I decide which "rules" and trends I want to follow, and which ones I will choose to ignore. I like to think that this is how to appropriately build one's personal taste over time.

 

What I'm trying to say is that it's easy to get discouraged when you go from buying suits at Macy's (or NM, or Saks, or whatever), and then jumping right into Formosa. An expensive venture that turns out less than perfect is less devastating (and likely) if you go into it armed with not just knowledge, but also a conviction in knowing what you like and what looks good on you.

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I think it all comes down to this. 

 

The jacket is tagged 50R. I measured the shoulders and the chest. The measurements were short by 2 cm and 3 cm, respectively. Basically, the jacket that I received is a 48R. It has been tagged incorrectly. 

 

Greg offered to pay for any shoulder alteration. I called my own tailor and he refused. I called the popular Will Field and he said that it would be very unlikely to fix this. So basically a no. 

 

The chest measurements are off by 3 cm. What can I do about that?


Edited by The Noodles - 7/22/15 at 12:05pm
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The only way to understand bespoke clothing is experientially. You have to fail to succeed. I don't see why this is turning into such a bawlfest.

 

The more you fail, the more you will succeed. Ideally, the failure will eventually even out to 50/50, decline to 30/70, and then be mostly constrained to a negligible amount. Every time you try something new, though, the potential for failure is going to go up. E.g. adventures in streetwear

 

Provided you aren't just wantonly buying things like a parvenu at Bergdorf's and actually exercise some self-reflection, this will not be money wasted. In the grand scheme of things, it is all money wasted -- a frivolous pastime -- but in terms of achieving self-mastery, it is an investment in your own knowledge.

 

 

There are guys out there who think they nailed it on their first run out of the gate and "saved so much money." The fact is, they didn't nail anything. Platonian cave and all that. Has anyone here not made costly mistakes? It's called anteing up.

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And thanks, it's good to be back. I'd rather still be in vietnam though. :/

I loved Vietnam. Stayed at the Hyatt resort in Danang for about a week with a friend from San Antonio. Travel rough during the day. Relax is luxury at night. That's the best way to travel Southeast Asia.

 

Very friendly people (though Malaysians are friendlier). Amazing sandwiches.

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I loved Vietnam. Stayed at the Hyatt resort in Danang for about a week with a friend from San Antonio. Travel rough during the day. Relax is luxury at night. That's the best way to travel Southeast Asia.

Very friendly people (though Malaysians are friendlier). Amazing sandwiches.

I much prefer the smaller 'boutique' (hate that word) hotels. They'll probably end up costing the same, but you get much more of a local flavour so to say. Chain hotels/resorts are pretty much interchangeable.
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Yeah, but how much time do you spend there? I think I spent one whole day at the hotel (I had to get some work done) and maybe two evenings. Other that than, I was out and about for 12-16 hours of the day. It's just nice to be able to return to somewhere nice.

 

Though in general, boutique hotels can be cool in Japan and South Korea. I don't know about SEA.

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Yeah, but how much time do you spend there? I think I spent one whole day at the hotel (I had to get some work done) and maybe two evenings. Other that than, I was out and about for 12-16 hours of the day. It's just nice to be able to return to somewhere nice.

 

Though in general, boutique hotels can be cool in Japan and South Korea. I don't know about SEA.

 

Any recommendations?

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Originally Posted by The Noodles View Post

 

Greg offered to pay for any shoulder alteration. I called my own tailor and he refused. I called the popular Will Field and he said that it would be very unlikely to fix this. So basically a no. 

 

The chest measurements are off by 3 cm. What can I do about that?

 

Apparently, you can send me PMs to threaten to "pursue legal remedies" because I cannot take back a jacket that you have altered and worn many times, then realized wasn't a great fit.    We are very accommodating with exchanging and taking back things that don't fit.   But this is altered and worn,  you should have realized you didn't like the fit before altering it.   

 

I'm exhausted by your PMs, your shenanigans, like a few months ago when you charged back a purchase for a suit you bought and kept, then pretended your bank did it without consulting you.   I was patient for months trying to get our payment back for that suit you kept and charged back.  I've been understanding and professional at all times, trying to give advice and help you feel better.  

 

And now, threats of legal action...   This is a new low.  

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Apparently, you can send me PMs to threaten "legal action" because I cannot take back a jacket that you have altered and worn many times, then realized wasn't a great fit.    We are very accommodating with exchanging and taking back things that don't fit.   But this is altered and worn,  you should have realized you didn't like the fit before altering it.   

 

I'm exhausted by your PMs, your shenanigans, like a few months ago when you charged back a purchase for a suit you bought and kept, then pretended your bank did it without consulting you.   I was patient for months trying to get our payment back for that suit you kept and charged back.  I've been understanding and professional at all times, trying to give advice and help you feel better.  

 

And now, threats of legal action...   This is a new low.  

Interesting. I don't know why you want to take this as a threat. Wanting to seek legal remedies is a threat?

 

^ what you say about the chargeback is clearly wrong. Why in the world would I do that? The bank told me that they believe there were a bunch of suspicious charges from that day so they sent out requests to all vendors (which you did receive) and the bank told me that there was a chargeback because you were the only one who did not respond. 

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Yeah, but how much time do you spend there? I think I spent one whole day at the hotel (I had to get some work done) and maybe two evenings. Other that than, I was out and about for 12-16 hours of the day. It's just nice to be able to return to somewhere nice.

Though in general, boutique hotels can be cool in Japan and South Korea. I don't know about SEA.

Plenty of nice boutique hotels in SEA. They're often as luxurious as the resorts, and they cost about the same. The crowd is usually much nicer, so you do end up spending a bit of time at the hotel. If I'm travelling for longer amounts of time I'm generally not out and about for 16 hours a day. Of course it also depends on who you're traveling with and the purpose. Some people like the comfort of a a resort that looks similar to what they're used to, and when you're traveling for business you generally don't want to take any risks, as you just want convenience.
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@The Noodles

I remember that. Your wife had purchased a few expensive accessories, right?


@gdl203
, if the jacket was mislabeled, that seems like a good thing for Formosa and the process. That's a pretty common error and has nothing to do with the quality of the production process. I'd be a lot more concerned if the occasional jacket had an odd measurement than I would if all my jackets were of consistent size and one happened to get mislabeled.


We all know Noodles is high maintenance. And we all know mistakes can happen in production of even the best firms. This seems like a minor mistake (mislabeling) complicated by past history and an audience.
Edited by Claghorn - 7/22/15 at 2:03pm
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