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post #28261 of 37396
I believe it is customary for direct family members to wear black (tie and/or suit)
If not direct family, then grey or navy is more appropriate.
post #28262 of 37396
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Originally Posted by EliodA View Post

I believe it is customary for direct family members to wear black (tie and/or suit)
If not direct family, then grey or navy is more appropriate.

 

 

I'm not a funeral expert, but that's my understanding.

post #28263 of 37396
I think the answer to all of this is Pliny's signature.
post #28264 of 37396
It is hard to keep up with this thread.  A quick comment about office place dressing.  There are a lot of young professionals that visit this site and it is important to realize that @Monkeyface comments are not to be taken as gospel if you work in finance/law.  He is always confident but rarely correct.  Sure, what he talks about does happen, but that it is not true industry (or globally) wide.  You need to asses your specific workplace/situation and make good judgement.  In many cases (and my personal experience in finance), it is best to dress for the job you want and not the job you have (the opposite of what Monkey is telling you).  I do agree that is important to not be flashy, but to say you can't wear a certain brand/bespoke because of your job level in finance/law is absurd.  It may be true in certain companies/scenarios and that is why you asses your specific situation.  
post #28265 of 37396
I hadn't heard it formulated that way, Elio, but it makes a lot of sense. I've always thought in terms of my role: is the expectation that I am attending to offer consolation or to receive it? I reserve black for the latter case (only once recently) and choose something subdued but less formal for other funereal situations.
post #28266 of 37396
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Originally Posted by Pliny View Post
 

 

Wore this to a funeral (not a close friend) on Tuesday.  White linen is always appropriate for funerals, weddings etc imo

 

 

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Originally Posted by Murlsquirl View Post
 

Recent funeral...I don't wear a PS 99% of the time.  

 

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Thank you, I appreciate the feedback!

post #28267 of 37396
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Originally Posted by europrep View Post

He is always confident but rarely correct.

I lol'ed at that.
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Originally Posted by heldentenor View Post

I hadn't heard it formulated that way, Elio, but it makes a lot of sense. I've always thought in terms of my role: is the expectation that I am attending to offer consolation or to receive it? I reserve black for the latter case (only once recently) and choose something subdued but less formal for other funereal situations.

This makes a lot of sense to me.
post #28268 of 37396
If you have been an active member for some time, I think you need to judge for yourselve which advice to incorporate and which advice to ignore. There are a lot of opinions, based on personal preference, being thrown around but they shouldn't be taken as gospel. Have an open mind but don't accept all advice blindly. In the end, the ones giving advice are not going to pay for the consequences of your actions that were taken based on the advice. You will.

#doh!
post #28269 of 37396
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Originally Posted by The Noodles View Post
 

I am quite surprised to see mid grey suits for funerals. I would do all black. Try to be respectful to the deceased and his/her family. 

 

I was unemployed for 3 months after I graduated from college so I worked delivering flowers. There were couple times when I had to deliver to a funeral home or to a church holding the funeral. Usually, the flowers were delivered to a certain area but this one time they told me to put it right in front of the coffin. The coffin was open. 

 

FWIW my suit is a navy (poor pic :confused:).   Navy suit, dk blue tie, white shirt, white square, dk blue socks and black oxfords.

 

The departed was an academic/engineer, and most of his colleagues, friends and other loved ones at the funeral were wearing sombre tweeds and odd jackets.  Engineers aren't known for their snappy dress sense AFAIK.  Only the sons of the departed wore black suits, so this funeral pretty much conformed to Eliod's comment.

post #28270 of 37396
Italy: all black (this has changed/is changing)
Japan: all black (this is not changing)

The effacement of details does create a somber, contemplative mood.
post #28271 of 37396
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Originally Posted by sprout2 View Post

Italy: all black (this has changed/is changing)
Japan: all black (this is not changing)

The effacement of details does create a somber, contemplative mood.

godfather-funeral.jpg

Only in certain social circles.
Black is more common in southern Italy. In the north it's navy and charcoal mostly. See my post above.
post #28272 of 37396
The putative practicality of owning a suit used for single occasions being practically nil, I wonder how much of this is historically related to the rationalization of clothing mores. People don't really "stock" clothing anymore, do they?
post #28273 of 37396
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Yep, go dress like your MD or partner on the first day of your job. See how that goes over. Good luck!

I did preface my advice with the fact that I was talking about high finance/big law. If you're in the finance department of a regular f500 for example, things won't be nearly as strict.
post #28274 of 37396
But you are 100% wrong about that being an issue in BigLaw. 100% wrong.
post #28275 of 37396
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Originally Posted by Patrick R View Post

But you are 100% wrong about that being an issue in BigLaw. 100% wrong.

I always have tried to dress in line with my clients expectations, or more accurately, slightly above my clients expectations. For some time as an associate, your clients will likely be the partners with whom you work. My advice is don't dress like Donald Trump unless you work for Donald Trump, which is a far less eloquent way of saying the same thing as Europrep above.

Also, in my experience, and just like in real estate, location plays a key role. The Midwest is much more laid back that the East coast, when it comes to dress or otherwise. That said, the East coast always seemed more open in their communication style. The Midwest was pleasant to your face while talking behind your back. The West coast was even more relaxed. The clothing norms do seem to follow. But there are always individual and company cultural exceptions, and it could just be my experience.

But to say the statement is 100% wrong is . . . Strong.

I'll also add how much I appreciate the advice on this and other threads. As someone who dresses outside my companies norm, it's nice to see I am not alone.
Edited by Sudonihm - 7/18/15 at 7:59am
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